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The War Against Girls (Unintended Consequences of Abortion)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2011-06-18

Posted on 06/18/2011 2:26:32 PM PDT by rabscuttle385

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To: MarkBsnr

I’m sure the redheads came from the Celtic fringe and Scandinavia.


41 posted on 06/18/2011 5:40:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: narses
Speaking of calumny, arguing from the present that your ancestors weren't desperate people puts a lie to their very existence.

Be thankful they did what they did else you'd not be here.

42 posted on 06/18/2011 5:41:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I’m sure the redheads came from the Celtic fringe and Scandinavia.

The Celtic people are Germanic/Gallic. They moved away from Germany to Britain, not vice versa.

43 posted on 06/18/2011 5:46:33 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: muawiyah; narses

Of course, the reference to the parliament at Nuremburg (1650) was a protestant parliament, not the Catholic Church.

Serious misremembering of facts.


44 posted on 06/18/2011 5:53:44 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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To: Valpal1; muawiyah

I recall Luther favoring bigamy for Phillip, at least if my memory hasn’t died. The Church? Not so much.


45 posted on 06/18/2011 5:56:05 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: MarkBsnr
That's the old now discredited theory. They are all readily differentiated by their DNA ~ language and cultural similarities simply didn't do the job.

The Germans, in any case, were tributary to the Celtic speakers along the lower Danube.

Gaelic was brought into the British Isles as recently as 700 BC by Celts who'd former lived in the Black Sea region (see Danube). They took over Spain. Over the next few hundred years they cleverly enslaved their neighbors (today's Basques) and took them to Hibernia. Today's Irish and the Basques are remarkably identical in mtDNA and other markers, although their languages are vastly different.

46 posted on 06/18/2011 5:56:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Valpal1

No, not a disremembering ~ I simply did a quick search and the first thing referenced Nuremburg. You can do a greater indepth search and find out what folks did then.


47 posted on 06/18/2011 5:57:51 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Mitochondrial DNA is a powerful tool, admittedly. Yet, we have the Celts moving west, not east. I don’t see the support of the statement that the Germans were influenced genetically by the Celts moving back east.


48 posted on 06/18/2011 6:00:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: muawiyah

First you claim the Catholic Church authorized polygamy and when asked for a reference, you provide the example of a non catholic parliament.

You’re not the knowledgeable person you pretend to be on the internet. You sure sound authoritative though.


49 posted on 06/18/2011 6:07:36 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("No clever arrangement of bad eggs ever made a good omelet." ~ C.S. Lewis)
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To: muawiyah

Nah, and nope. Just sought “plural marriage in Catholic Church” on google. No jackpot for you. It’s your assertion, you back it up, or retract it, FRiend. The closest found included, among other things, quotes belonging to Mr. Luther you’d not enjoy. Try again, please, but this time, with facts, please.


50 posted on 06/18/2011 6:09:11 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: sayuncledave

You are simply not trying hard enough.


51 posted on 06/18/2011 6:11:11 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; sayuncledave
You are simply not trying hard enough.

52 posted on 06/18/2011 6:13:31 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: Valpal1
"Supposedly" is a word fraught with meaning.

Learn it first. Then we'll talk. But what you need to look for is "plural marriage" and then look for "germany" within those results using the "find" command on your browser. Then you can find out what people CLAIM the RCs were up to back in the day. Note, I did not say the pope did it, just that I've seen it asserted ~ hence the word "supposedly".

If you want to get uppity about Religion I'd like to remind you that the Guise Faction conducted the first ambush in the French Religious Wars, so it's ALL your fault!

53 posted on 06/18/2011 6:15:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MarkBsnr
That's because you don't understand that Europe was repopulated after the Ice Age by people who'd been trapped in two refugia ~ one in Northern Spain along the Pyranees and the other on the Adriatic coast (Serbia/Dalmatia).

Later agriculturalists from the Middle East began moving into Europe from the Mediterranean coast.

Obviously populations mixed ~ to a degree ~ but Northern and Western European populations came from those two refugia. Their Indo-European languages arrived THOUSANDS of years later.

For all practical purposes the Celtic and Germanic people are IDENTICAL but there are threads of mtDNA within each population that suggest various admixtures from outside.

In short, everybody in Europe spread out from a location on the Bay of Biscay or on the Adriatic until otherwise demonstrated. The flow has been mostly from the West to the East, or to the North, or to the South.

The very first population to "break out" of the Western refugia as the ice began to melt headed straight for the Arctic, as well as to North Africa, East Asia and to America. Later populations left the refugia as forests returned ~ but they, too, moved rapidly into Eastern Europe.

54 posted on 06/18/2011 6:28:17 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I am a speed reader. I went through 4 pages of links. Sufficient enough. You made the assertion. If you’ve enough wherewithal to say a thing, kindly either do so with evidence to substantiate your claim, or retract. That’s the second opportunity for a graceful out on your earlier claim, by the way. You may say you were mistaken, if you wish. My aim is not to puff my chest up. Nor to put you down. Whether we agree all the time or not, we are, in some respects, birds of a feather. All I ask is that you back your claim. Will you do so?


55 posted on 06/18/2011 6:32:34 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: muawiyah

Interesting.

The model that I am familiar with presents a general westward flow of the Celts through Germany to Britain.


56 posted on 06/18/2011 6:33:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
That's based on language ~ not on ethnotype as reflected in mtDNA. All the Celtic Fringe and all the Germans and all the Scandinavians and even the Souvr'n Europeans descend primarily from people who were in the Western Refugia along today's French and Spanish border.

The languages came later ~ mostly as Middle Eastern (the Indo-European languages arose in the East around or near the Black Sea) agriculturalists moved West!

57 posted on 06/18/2011 6:38:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Even more interesting.

I shall have to go out and do some research. Thanks for the information.


58 posted on 06/18/2011 6:44:03 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: muawiyah
Note, I did not say the pope did it, just that I've seen it asserted ~ hence the word "supposedly".

In Texas that is called bullshitting.

In more polite phraseology it is called spreading unsubstantiated rumors or lying.

I have seen it asserted that my tagline is an actual Lincoln quote is no different than what you are doing.

59 posted on 06/18/2011 6:46:13 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: rabscuttle385
Liberal insanity never ends. They clearly are irreversibly and ultimately tied to constant abortion on demand... but they also want to decry the statistical aberration ("an offense against nature!") and treatment of females as second-class citizens ("the misogynistic world!"), so...

Since they can't bring themselves to limit abortion in any way (the only unlimited "right" that is "in" the Constitution, the only "solution" (because liberals believe that all issues should be resolved by government regulation) is to monitor abortion and force the proper male-to-female ratios of the "procedures".

60 posted on 06/18/2011 6:47:54 PM PDT by Teacher317 (really?)
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