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The Simple but Horrifying Fallacy at the Core of the Tea Party (Bucket needed)
The Economic Populist ^ | July 28, 2011 | Numerian

Posted on 07/28/2011 12:39:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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What part of "Taxed Enough Already" don't these weasels understand?
1 posted on 07/28/2011 12:39:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh hell just let ‘em raise taxes....the resulting 15% unemployment ought to be fun to watch Obama try to explain in October 2012.


2 posted on 07/28/2011 12:43:18 PM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The part that permits you to retain your testicles.


3 posted on 07/28/2011 12:48:46 PM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem is that the little people have too much money and freedom.

We on the left have a solution for that problem.

But the ignorant little people dare to fight us.

/sarc(?)


4 posted on 07/28/2011 12:49:16 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Grunthor
The real (U6) unemployment number is now at 16.5% and even that is artificially low. Among some groups, for instance, young black males (who you'd think this "president" would be looking out for) it's around FIFTY PERCENT!! That's right, every other black young man is unemployed!!
5 posted on 07/28/2011 12:51:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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The blacks could be 100% unemployed, they’d still vote for him en masse.


6 posted on 07/28/2011 12:52:15 PM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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" Immediate cuts of that size would be the equivalent of removing 25% of all cash flow out of the economy, throwing tens of millions of middle class Americans into acute financial stress. For many poor people, it would be an existential crisis, in which starvation becomes a real prospect."

This assumes the money not taken and spent by the government will not be spent by its rightful owners, the folks who earned it.

7 posted on 07/28/2011 12:52:38 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well- there’s five minutes I’ll never get back. The author offers more straw men than you’d find in a million acres of corn.


8 posted on 07/28/2011 12:53:16 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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[Oh hell just let ‘em raise taxes....the resulting 15% unemployment ought to be fun to watch Obama try to explain in October 2012.]

I am at the point where I agree with you, i am prepared, I am ready, I am resourceful and smart, and I WILL survive.

Maybe we should adopt a stand of: “Let’s walk down the path of darkness together”

Because when we finally get to the light at the other side of the scary forest the socialist scum, and state sponsored leeches will have died off in the woods.


9 posted on 07/28/2011 12:53:28 PM PDT by GraceG
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We ARE “Taxed Enough Already” and this is a barfbag article, but an abrupt 25% reduction of cash flow to the economy will lead to an economic meltdown.


10 posted on 07/28/2011 12:56:46 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: muir_redwoods

But, but, they won’t spend it the right way! Plus, the malt liquor, cognac, small cigar and cigarette industries might collapse. Think of all those dope dealers with mouths to feed!


11 posted on 07/28/2011 12:56:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Gov. Sarah Palin. What'll you do?)
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I suspect they have bought into a partisan set of talking points that have been dogma for many years in the Republican Party. First, all taxes are bad, because they steal money from hard-working people and deprive businesses of the means of creating jobs. Second, government spending is generally bad because it makes people indolent and dependent on hand-outs. Third, deficits are bad because they stifle economic growth.

I'll let the left's favorite 'partisan democrat' address these items seriatim:

First: "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

Second: "If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy." AND "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." AND "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." -- Thomas Jefferson

Third: "I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." AND "I hope a tax will be preferred [to a loan which threatens to saddle us with a perpetual debt], because it will awaken the attention of the people and make reformation and economy the principle of the next election. The frequent recurrence of this chastening operation can alone restrain the propensity of governments to enlarge expense beyond income." -- Thomas Jefferson

So yes, I'm "guilty". I have "bought in" to the "partisan" Thomas Jefferson's "talking points". But better his than those of Barack Obama, George Soros, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Karl Marx, eh Mr. Numerian?.

12 posted on 07/28/2011 12:57:43 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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As always, the liberals never state what percentage of the GDP that they want to set the bar at for federal expenses. The present ‘budget’ which is really a continuing resolution consumes a full quarter of the gross domestic product of the United States. Compare this with previous years, and it is insanely huge - a full seven percent more of the economy is being consumed by the federal government today than it did during the high tax watermark of the Clinton years.

They want to talk about rolling back to FY2000 percentage of GDP for the federal budget? I'm all for it. But they don't... The constant whine is that the rich keep getting richer.

Well, yes, stupid, they do. If I have a million dollars in the bank and invest only 100k of it during a year, even if you set capital gains at 100%, I'm still going to have a million dollars at the end of the year. But if there's little to no capital gains tax, there's more incentive for me to risk my money to try to make more. Either way, I'm still going to be the ‘rich getting richer’, but one way, you collapse investment, the other you expand it.

Time for these liberals to pony up a number. What percentage of the GDP should the federal government consume...?

We're waiting.

13 posted on 07/28/2011 1:01:06 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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By taking one half of this equation out of the discussion, the Tea Party is dragging the nation along on a fantasy ride in which only spending cuts are allowed as a solution to the government’s debt problem.

The Tea Party knows that to increase revenue by increasing taxes will cause a slow down of the recovery phase of the economy.

14 posted on 07/28/2011 1:23:45 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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The way the “Tea Party” has been so kindly bandied about in media makes me think that there is a HUGE group of people that are quietly becoming more resolved to the idea that these people of the socialist left are just plain evil.

Unfortunately, seems that the socialist left has a lot of members that seem to squeal loudly and spin relentlessly in the game of control/politics.

Can politicians and pundits really get away with calling so many of us idiots and racists?


15 posted on 07/28/2011 1:35:24 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“There are two ways to get to a debt crisis – you either spend too much money or you don’t take in enough revenue.”

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This clown is simply angling for a compromise, shuffling down the inevitable road to economic oblivion. And make no mistake there is no fast talking, obfuscation or politicking that is going to save us when the market-driven, economic hammer finally comes down.

There is PLENTY of revenue. Way too much in fact.

Spending at an utterly irresponsible, insane level is the ONLY problem and where ALL of the repair work needs to be directed.


16 posted on 07/28/2011 1:44:35 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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“We ARE “Taxed Enough Already” and this is a barfbag article, but an abrupt 25% reduction of cash flow to the economy will lead to an economic meltdown.”

Let’s see, the federal government is borrowing 100 billion a month, so if the government stopped borrowing 100 billion a month cash flow would drop by 25%, well it seems to me that money put in treasuries is not going in to the economy or into products that people want, but is employing people that make rules to prevent you from exercising your economic freedom. It seems to me that that money would go into the productive economy.


17 posted on 07/28/2011 1:56:12 PM PDT by qman
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To: kingu
Time for these liberals to pony up a number. What percentage of the GDP should the federal government consume...?

Do I hear "2"?

18 posted on 07/28/2011 2:07:20 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: qman

money put in treasuries is not going in to the economy or into products that people want,

>> If the interest rate goes up (which of course it will from a ratings downgrade or default) taxpayers will be holding the bag for the higher rates of interest on treasuries, on top of the current debt.

It seems to me that that money would go into the productive economy.

>> Eventually, if there was anything left after the bankruptcies and riots. We need a systematic and continuous approach to spending reduction rather than an abrupt meltdown.


19 posted on 07/28/2011 2:16:42 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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“The way the “Tea Party” has been so kindly bandied about in media makes me think that there is a HUGE group of people that are quietly becoming more resolved to the idea that these people of the socialist left are just plain evil.”

What do you _do_ with “evil”?

Do you compromise with it?

Again, what do you do with the evil?

Just wonderin’....


20 posted on 07/28/2011 2:31:54 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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