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What part of "Taxed Enough Already" don't these weasels understand?
1 posted on 07/28/2011 12:39:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh hell just let ‘em raise taxes....the resulting 15% unemployment ought to be fun to watch Obama try to explain in October 2012.


2 posted on 07/28/2011 12:43:18 PM PDT by Grunthor (Faster than the speed of smell.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The part that permits you to retain your testicles.


3 posted on 07/28/2011 12:48:46 PM PDT by SMARTY (A claim for equality of material position can be met only by a government with totalitarian powers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem is that the little people have too much money and freedom.

We on the left have a solution for that problem.

But the ignorant little people dare to fight us.

/sarc(?)


4 posted on 07/28/2011 12:49:16 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
" Immediate cuts of that size would be the equivalent of removing 25% of all cash flow out of the economy, throwing tens of millions of middle class Americans into acute financial stress. For many poor people, it would be an existential crisis, in which starvation becomes a real prospect."

This assumes the money not taken and spent by the government will not be spent by its rightful owners, the folks who earned it.

7 posted on 07/28/2011 12:52:38 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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Well- there’s five minutes I’ll never get back. The author offers more straw men than you’d find in a million acres of corn.


8 posted on 07/28/2011 12:53:16 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We ARE “Taxed Enough Already” and this is a barfbag article, but an abrupt 25% reduction of cash flow to the economy will lead to an economic meltdown.


10 posted on 07/28/2011 12:56:46 PM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I suspect they have bought into a partisan set of talking points that have been dogma for many years in the Republican Party. First, all taxes are bad, because they steal money from hard-working people and deprive businesses of the means of creating jobs. Second, government spending is generally bad because it makes people indolent and dependent on hand-outs. Third, deficits are bad because they stifle economic growth.

I'll let the left's favorite 'partisan democrat' address these items seriatim:

First: "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson

Second: "If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy." AND "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical." AND "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." -- Thomas Jefferson

Third: "I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt." AND "I hope a tax will be preferred [to a loan which threatens to saddle us with a perpetual debt], because it will awaken the attention of the people and make reformation and economy the principle of the next election. The frequent recurrence of this chastening operation can alone restrain the propensity of governments to enlarge expense beyond income." -- Thomas Jefferson

So yes, I'm "guilty". I have "bought in" to the "partisan" Thomas Jefferson's "talking points". But better his than those of Barack Obama, George Soros, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Karl Marx, eh Mr. Numerian?.

12 posted on 07/28/2011 12:57:43 PM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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As always, the liberals never state what percentage of the GDP that they want to set the bar at for federal expenses. The present ‘budget’ which is really a continuing resolution consumes a full quarter of the gross domestic product of the United States. Compare this with previous years, and it is insanely huge - a full seven percent more of the economy is being consumed by the federal government today than it did during the high tax watermark of the Clinton years.

They want to talk about rolling back to FY2000 percentage of GDP for the federal budget? I'm all for it. But they don't... The constant whine is that the rich keep getting richer.

Well, yes, stupid, they do. If I have a million dollars in the bank and invest only 100k of it during a year, even if you set capital gains at 100%, I'm still going to have a million dollars at the end of the year. But if there's little to no capital gains tax, there's more incentive for me to risk my money to try to make more. Either way, I'm still going to be the ‘rich getting richer’, but one way, you collapse investment, the other you expand it.

Time for these liberals to pony up a number. What percentage of the GDP should the federal government consume...?

We're waiting.

13 posted on 07/28/2011 1:01:06 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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By taking one half of this equation out of the discussion, the Tea Party is dragging the nation along on a fantasy ride in which only spending cuts are allowed as a solution to the government’s debt problem.

The Tea Party knows that to increase revenue by increasing taxes will cause a slow down of the recovery phase of the economy.

14 posted on 07/28/2011 1:23:45 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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The way the “Tea Party” has been so kindly bandied about in media makes me think that there is a HUGE group of people that are quietly becoming more resolved to the idea that these people of the socialist left are just plain evil.

Unfortunately, seems that the socialist left has a lot of members that seem to squeal loudly and spin relentlessly in the game of control/politics.

Can politicians and pundits really get away with calling so many of us idiots and racists?


15 posted on 07/28/2011 1:35:24 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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“There are two ways to get to a debt crisis – you either spend too much money or you don’t take in enough revenue.”

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This clown is simply angling for a compromise, shuffling down the inevitable road to economic oblivion. And make no mistake there is no fast talking, obfuscation or politicking that is going to save us when the market-driven, economic hammer finally comes down.

There is PLENTY of revenue. Way too much in fact.

Spending at an utterly irresponsible, insane level is the ONLY problem and where ALL of the repair work needs to be directed.


16 posted on 07/28/2011 1:44:35 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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There are two ways to get to a debt crisis – you either spend too much money or you don’t take in enough revenue.

What a moron. The only way you can have a debt crisis is by taking on too much debt. Some people in the real world have absolutely no debts at all. How could spending or earning cause them to enter a debt crisis ?

22 posted on 07/28/2011 2:48:13 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Kolokotronis
As much as the Tea Party likes to fancy itself as independent, it has become the radical wing of the Republican Party.

They may have good intentions(the common followers of this movement) but they are an easy pawn that will be blamed if a debt deal is not struck by Aug 2nd and the ensuing interest rates rise will crush the rest of the middle class playing into the hands of the democrat communists

Limbaugh ,Hannity and Beck should sell all there possitions for the tea party cause if they think the tea party will save america.

I doubt that will happen! Which shows there doubt as well!

29 posted on 07/28/2011 5:27:58 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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“It’s hard to say if the Tea Party has an acknowledged leader, but someone who professes to be just that”

...isn’t. Anyone claiming to be the leader of the tea party doesn’t understand what the tea party is.


42 posted on 07/28/2011 6:18:19 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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“By taking one half of this equation out of the discussion”

Well, it isn’t in the discussion. You can’t just declare more income the way you can declare less spending. Sure the Feds can raise tax rates, but people will adjust and the total revenue will stay about the same.


43 posted on 07/28/2011 6:22:17 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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They hate the Tea Party for many reasons, but most of all beacuse it’s a genuinely grassroots movement. There are no “
“corporate fatcat”/Koch brothers/Rupert Murdoch figures to Isolate and polarize in the required Alinsky manner.


45 posted on 07/28/2011 7:35:21 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Rage all you want, looters & moochers, but the gods of the copybook headings are your masters now.)
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Cuts of $4T over 10 years, the down payment on deficit reduction that both Moody’s and S&P set as a likely minimum to avoid a downgrade, would be the equivalent of taking 25% of the cash out of our economy?

And we’re supposed to take anything in this article seriously?


47 posted on 07/29/2011 5:12:02 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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Here is what is fundamentally wrong and dangerous with the core assumption of the Tea Party: There are two ways to get to a debt crisis – you either spend too much money or you don’t take in enough revenue.

With a statement like that, you'd think the author would provide, oh, I don't know, say, maybe some facts and figures that show that there is a "revenue problem"?

The reason he doesn't is because he can't. Phillips is right on this point -- the government gets plenty of revenue, it just outspends it to a sickening degree. The budget can (and should!) be balanced, and even turned into a surplus to start paying down the debt, through spending cuts alone.

48 posted on 07/29/2011 5:18:40 AM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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What they refuse to acknowledge is that there is a very finite limit to the revenue side.

Raise tax rates enough, and people will shift their attention from income creation to tax avoidance. Raise tax rates more, and people are more likely to forego income in exchange for leisure -- doctors working a couple of 18 hour ER shifts and taking the rest of the week off, small business owners semi-retiring and letting things coast, etc.

Eventually, raising government spending MUST be dealt with on the spending side -- and it won't be pretty.

49 posted on 07/29/2011 5:31:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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A couple of states, maybe TX and AZ, need to make a break for it. We are dealing with Marxists. The only way to defeat evil is to destroy it or seperate and isolate it. There is NO common ground here, quit hoping for a political compromise. There wiil be none. Ever. Our problems cannot and will not be solved politically. We are being enslaved, GET IT?


51 posted on 07/29/2011 7:02:30 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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