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Who was the father of Conservatism and other questions
madmominct

Posted on 08/23/2011 4:46:35 PM PDT by madmominct

Last night I got into a huge discussion with a liberal drone who thought he knew everything (don't they all?). Among his claims were that Hobbes was the father of Conservatism - who was an elistist who felt that people should be ruled by a strong government and allowed to participate as little as possible. He also claimed that Reagan was the first president to take money out of social security. He also kept referring to something called the "happiness index" and claimed that according to this index, people in Western Europen socialist democracies are the happiest. I intend to look this stuff up myself, but thought I might put it out there and see if there are some thoughts/arugments I could make and good websites for solid data. This guy also felt that money is the biggest problem in government - especially campaigns, and that the Supreme Court just passed something that will allow big corporations to donate unlimited amounts of money to political campaigns and that Republicans are responsible for more campaign money than Democrats - in spite of Soros. Needless to say, I had a headache after talking with this guy. Any thoughts, sources, websites appreciated!


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To: loveliberty2

Thank you - great quotes from Churchill - this post will be my treasure trove for future reading and research to further my education in Conservative principles.


41 posted on 08/23/2011 8:35:15 PM PDT by madmominct
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To: loveliberty2

That’s why Churchill is my favorite historical figure of all time. Modern politicians are not worthy to shine his shoes.


42 posted on 08/23/2011 8:38:48 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: madmominct

Russell Kirk picked Edmund Burke, with conservatism beginning as a reaction against the French Revolution.

Kirk wrote “The Conservative Mind” back in 1953, before Buckley started the National Review, before Barry Goldwater arrived on the scene. I often used to see Kirk’s book cited as marking the intellectual beginning of the postwar conservative movement. It was certainly influential. You can find it and a lot of other worthwhile books at the ISI website:

http://www.isi.org/conservative_tho.html


43 posted on 08/23/2011 8:52:29 PM PDT by Pelham ("Resist we much!" - Al 'Jiffypop' Sharpton)
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To: ngat; madmominct; Rockingham
If "limited, representative government, free markets, and individual liberty" are the pillars of conservatism, then John Locke, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill are the men who shaped the individual pillars.

Edmund Burke is also the correct answer.

44 posted on 08/24/2011 7:08:08 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Arguably, Burke had the more crucial role in that he catalyzed opposition to the French Revolution by enlightened opinion in Britain. Until Burke, many in Britain sympathized with the French Revolution, including Burke’s Parliamentary friend and ally Charles Fox. Had the ideals of the French Revolution triumphed in Britain, conservative principles of government would have been consumed there.


45 posted on 08/24/2011 7:20:43 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: madmominct
...but he brought up politics and it was downhill from there...

Open a window and I'm bustin' through the door and taking no prisoners! I love those kind of openings!

46 posted on 08/25/2011 5:09:09 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: madmominct

Edmund Burke is the father of Conservatism.

There was one Happiness study by a Brit. It was subjective. The US ranked 23. England ranked 41. Smaller countries tended to rank higher,

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/oct2006/gb20061011_072596.htm

Don’t know about the Pres Reagan issue.


47 posted on 08/26/2011 7:56:31 PM PDT by dervish (female candidates: the last frontier)
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