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To: Pelham; iowamark
Pelham: "Of course Founding Fathers such as Patrick Henry, George Mason, and Richard Henry Lee and the rest of the Anti Federalists didn’t believe any such thing.
Their argument against ratification and consolidated government warned that it would destroy state sovereignty and lead to the destruction of freedom. "

By definition, "Founding Fathers" were those who wrote and then voted to ratify the new Constitution.
Those who voted against the Constitution were not Founding Fathers.

They were instead, as their political name accurately describes: "anti-Federalists".

Anti-Federalists had their say, they lost the vote, and a new "more perfect Union" was ratified to replace the old "perpetual" Articles of Confederation.

41 posted on 03/23/2012 7:12:24 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

“By definition, “Founding Fathers” were those who wrote and then voted to ratify the new Constitution.
Those who voted against the Constitution were not Founding Fathers.”

Oh? So what are you, the world’s authority on the subject?

Well, sadly you’re not. In fact it’s evident you’re not even much of a student of the subject.

Here’s a definition a bit more impartial than your self-serving attempt at ‘begging the question’, a logical fallacy attractive to sloppy thinkers; note the use of “or” in the following definition, and if you don’t know why “or” is significant find someone to explain it to you:

“The Founding Fathers of the United States of America were political leaders and statesmen who participated in the American Revolution by creating the United States Declaration of Independence, taking part in the American Revolutionary War, establishing the United States Constitution, or by some other key contribution. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

In that article is a list of Founding Fathers. And, surprise surprise, the list includes George Mason, Patrick Henry, and Richard Henry Lee.

Now run along and find some thread where they like to indulge in make-believe, your material will at least fit in there.


42 posted on 03/23/2012 9:39:18 PM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, la raza trojan horse.)
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