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Why vigilantes make lousy cops (Nauseatingly awful)
The Wednesday Journal of Oak Park and River Forest ^ | April 17, 2012 | Ken Trainor

Posted on 04/17/2012 10:31:04 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: FlingWingFlyer

This piece is wrong in so many particulars, and on so many levels, that it would make a great target for analysis in a course on how to spot sloppy and deceitful political writing.


21 posted on 04/18/2012 3:53:58 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Fred911

Sadly, even a few freepers have wondered if you should shoot someone if they are “just” beating you up.

Oddly enough, in my liberal state of Washington, the law considers it a lawful shoot if it is used to stop a felony. Such things as assault, robbery, theft over $250. Even shooting at a fleeing violent attacker if you think they run the risk of attacking someone else. Just last week some guy shot at a truck fleeing his home after the guys were banging on his front door trying to break in. The only comment the police had was “the rear window in the truck may be broken”.

Maybe not the wisest move considering one’s individual state or city, but as in another recent home invasion (among many recently), the cop said, after the suspect was killed by the owner “It seems to be open season on criminals here”.


22 posted on 04/18/2012 4:02:01 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Secondly, ZIMMERMAN WAS NOT A VIGILANTE. Kenny boy here needs to do a little research.

To panty-pissin' hoplophobes like Kenny boy, EVERY armed citizen is a "vigilante." In his world, only cops and jackbooted government thugs have "legal" guns; all others are "illegal".

Yes, it's a sick and unconstitutional mindset. So why is his side winning? Power.

23 posted on 04/18/2012 4:19:58 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Whatever else we learn about this case, one thing seems pretty clear: Zimmerman was the protagonist. He initiated the contact."

Whatever else we learn from this opinion piece, one thing seems clear: Trainor starts with a preconceived conclusion and twists the facts to fit.

There is no evidence I've seen that warrants Zimmerman being knocked down, his nose broken and his head smashed into the concrete.

If we ever hear of it happening to Trainor, I guess we can say, "He had it coming".

24 posted on 04/18/2012 4:28:43 AM PDT by kanawa
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To: backwoods-engineer

Look to England if you want to see the role model for government thugs and the lefties who love them.

In England, citizen self-defense is a much more serious crime than attacks on the lives or property of citizens.

It’s what the lefties here want for us.


25 posted on 04/18/2012 5:45:44 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You have to think, what is the goal here? Is it to change laws? Of course that’s on their wish list but they have to realistically know that’s not going to happen. At least not now.

Is the goal to make citizens personally doubt their right to defend themselves? Maybe. But again, they have to know that’s a long shot.

No, I think the main goal here is to convince the Trayvons of America that the citizens are weak and that the rioting can now begin.

The goal is to encourage race riots.


26 posted on 04/18/2012 5:51:52 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

Problem is, race riots usually end up burning down their housing and driving stores out of their neck of the woods. In other words, it hurts the rioters, not the “weak citizens.”


27 posted on 04/18/2012 6:00:08 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And if Trayvon Martin turns out to be the guilty party? It's still a hell of a thing to kill a man.

Maybe, but it's better than being beaten to death.

That is why it is called self defense.

28 posted on 04/18/2012 6:09:52 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“By the time he ended it, was his life in danger? Or was he merely in danger of getting a sound thrashing? There’s a difference...”

No, there’s not actually a difference. People can die from a single punch, so anytime you are in a fight, your life is, by definition, in danger.


29 posted on 04/18/2012 6:52:16 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: samtheman

Probably saved a lot of trouble down the line as there will now be no further victims of said thug.


30 posted on 04/18/2012 7:19:02 AM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: Little Ray

The people pushing for these race riots don’t care about the well-being of the rioters or their neighborhoods.

Obama needs an excuse to through the “kill switch” on the constitution.


31 posted on 04/18/2012 7:26:59 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Fred911

That baseball fan at Dodgers stadium got a thrashing and was in a coma for months and is severely brain damaged to this day. Is that what Zimmerman was supposed to endure.


32 posted on 04/18/2012 7:50:29 AM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Actually in the movie (which Iam sure was much later than 1992) Eastwood kills to collect a bounty or reward. This makes him more like the New Black Panthers than George Zimmerman.


33 posted on 04/18/2012 7:52:54 AM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

By the time he ended it, was his life in danger? Or was he merely in danger of getting a sound thrashing? There’s a difference, but a guy with a gun is not likely to make such fine distinctions. <<

This is not a case of a referee and shaking hands and wearing protective gear. This is being attacked by someone breaking your nose and pounding your head into the pavement. He had every reason to think his life was in danger.


34 posted on 04/18/2012 8:00:01 AM PDT by freedomrings69
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“I think he's up to no good,he looks black”...yup,sounds like vigilante to me.
35 posted on 04/21/2012 5:48:55 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Was that comment serious or sarcasm?


36 posted on 04/21/2012 8:21:51 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: Gay State Conservative

Was that comment serious or sarcasm?


37 posted on 04/21/2012 8:22:11 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: nathanbedford
"The left far better than the right knows how to identify, personalize and destroy its enemies and it has very acute early warning system for threats to its ideology."

This is why our loss of Ann Coulter to the cult of Romney is all the more tragic. She was one of the few conservatives who could and did go toe-to-toe with the left and carried the battle to their turf. She fought by their rules and they didn't know how to handle it.

38 posted on 04/21/2012 8:36:30 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Ken’s comments about vigilantes are entirely appropriate, for actual vigilantes, which have a long and well-documented history in America. Vigilante movements invariably went bad. Those few that didn’t had precisely defined objectives and disbanded as soon as they were achieved.

But self-defense against an attack has nothing at all in common with vigilantism.


39 posted on 05/10/2012 8:52:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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