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Trust me: You believe in gun control (Agitprop Alert)
The Ironton Tribune ^ | May 24, 2012 | Tina Dupuy, editor of Crooks and Liars

Posted on 05/24/2012 2:03:43 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

If you ask the typical hyper-political gun owner (and I have … at Thanksgiving dinner), why it’s important to own a gun, they’ll bark about the Constitution. Yes, the Second Amendment: “The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed!”

This of course is the slogan the National Rifle Association adopted in the 1970s. It was then that owning a gun became an absolute right endowed by God and the Constitution. A blessing passed down by our forefathers to obliterate game and protect our property.

The NRA was founded in 1870 and for its first hundred years it was for gun control and didn’t mention the Second Amendment as their cause.

Adam Winkler points out in his delicious book, “Gun Fight,” what we call the “wild west” had some of the strictest gun control laws we’ve seen as a nation. The shootout at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance.

The KKK was among other things, a gun-control organization. They were trying to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed slaves … but still gun control.

The part of the Second Amendment omitted from the NRA’s slogan is: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”

Yes, well regulated —it’s in the Constitution!

Now, to some, guns are as sacred as Scripture.

If you ask, again, this typical hyper-political gun owner why they need to stockpile assault rifles, you will get an answer much like Pat Flynn’s, a recent candidate for a Senate seat in Nebraska.

“Really, we have our guns to protect ourselves against the government, number one,” Flynn said in a debate right before the primary. “Hunting’s number two. But protecting us against our government is number one.”

Remember, Flynn was trying to land a job in the government (he didn’t win his party’s nomination, by the way).

The idea is that we have to be just as armed as our government in order to be safer or have more liberty (or something). The U.S. government has unmanned drones armed with supersonic laser-guided anti-armor Hellfire missiles, “bunker busters,” and nuclear weapons. Are far-right politicians saying we need civilians to have shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles “for protection?”

Of course they’re not. They actually do want limits on ownership.

And if you ask the most vehement gun rights advocate why gun owners shouldn’t have nuclear weapons, I’d bet you’d get the same answer as to why we don’t want every country to have the capability: “Because they could get into the wrong hands.”

So weapons-grade plutonium should be limited. But the ever-handy semi-auto Glock pistol with a 30-round high-capacity magazine is an absolute right?

A recent gun buyback drive in Los Angeles resulted in someone turning in a rocket launcher. Comforting.

So we’re not actually talking about limited vs. unlimited. We are talking about degrees of weapon ownership.

Guns fall into the wrong hands all the time. More guns and fewer requirements for ownership doesn’t curb this.

George Zimmerman was the wrong hands. Zimmerman, a Florida man now infamous for shooting an unarmed black teenager at close range after a 911 operator told him not to engage the alleged suspect and wait for police to arrive, is now being defended by said hyper-political gun owners.

There’s no reason a Neighborhood Watch captain should be patrolling his block with a criminal record and a pistol. Zimmerman was a catastrophe realized. Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.

The United States is number one in the world in civilian gun ownership. And since we’re not last in gun violence (we’re the 14th highest in deaths—way higher in just injuries) it’s safe to assume that increasing the number of guns doesn’t decrease the number of gun deaths.

Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—making gun ownership unlimited doesn’t make us safer.

It’s a lie. A fairy tale of the gun lobby. Completely unsupported by data or logic. A falsehood.

So unless you think all Americans should get Daisy Cutters this Christmas—you believe in regulations as to who gets a weapon, what kind and where they can have it.

Gun control laws are not tyranny—as the family of Trayvon Martin can testify to—a de-regulated militia is.


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; dupuy; georgezimmerman; liberalfascism; tinadupuy; trayvon; zimmerman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I have been arguing with liberals all day today. They think what they think for purely emotional reasons only. They won't let you have a moral argument, and once you give that ground up to them, they keep changing the subject until they've got you.

I'm done talking with commies about gun control. When big government comes to take mine -- and they must eventually to reach their goals -- I will go out in a hail of bullets, but not before I send several of them to hell.

Until then, I am just going to stop arguing with liberals about guns.

21 posted on 05/24/2012 2:50:40 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact is that if Zimmerman had not had a gun, attempted murderer Trayvon would still be alive. And Zimmerman would be dead.


22 posted on 05/24/2012 2:53:50 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Adam Winkler points out in his delicious book, “Gun Fight,” what we call the “wild west” had some of the strictest gun control laws we’ve seen as a nation. The shootout at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance.

Arizona didn't become a state until 1912. The Constitution does not necessarily apply to territories. The author is an ass.

23 posted on 05/24/2012 3:02:34 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: cripplecreek
A while back I read a whiny liberal story about the skyrocketing rate of defensive shootings in Detroit.

Some people just can't quite get the hang of that "Stand down and let the hoodies have your neighborhood" thing. Go figure.

24 posted on 05/24/2012 3:06:11 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—making gun ownership unlimited doesn’t make us safer.

This is all I needed to read to know that this loon doesn't know what she's talking about.

25 posted on 05/24/2012 3:08:39 PM PDT by Snardius
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am not interested in discussing the subject with you, Tina. Come and take my guns, be the first one through the door, or STFU. ;-)


26 posted on 05/24/2012 3:09:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Sirius Lee
The shootout at the OK Corral took place, after all, because Wyatt Earp was trying to disarm the outlaw cowboys in accordance with a Tombstone ordinance.

Exactly, Tina! That attempt at gun control worked out real well didn't it?

27 posted on 05/24/2012 3:15:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: tacticalogic

Most of the Defense stories out of detroit are elderly blacks killing the hoods who prey on them.


28 posted on 05/24/2012 3:29:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It wasn’t until the late 1800’s that the government and courts began to really hammer on the rights of people. Until fairly recent times there has been no need to clarify that it was a Constitunional right, it was a given! People have become educated IDIOTS in recent history.


29 posted on 05/24/2012 3:56:16 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: ArmyTeach
"The fact is that if Zimmerman had not had a gun, attempted murderer Trayvon would still be alive. And Zimmerman would be dead."

And the race pimps and the media would have yawned at the killing of a "white guy" by yet another innocent black thug.

30 posted on 05/24/2012 4:02:13 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: ArrogantBustard

You’re taking all the fun out of it ;)


31 posted on 05/24/2012 4:05:37 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The bullobama in this screed made me dizzy. Do you need a journalism degree to become this willfully ignorant?

The KKK was among other things, a gun-control organization. They were trying to keep guns out of the hands of newly freed slaves … but still gun control.

Yes, racist Democrats, but let's gloss over that. Would those newly freed slaves have been better or worse off if they had been able to be armed? Not to mention that the KKK wanted to disarm newly freed slaves for the same reason leftist still want to disarm those they would control.

A recent gun buyback drive in Los Angeles resulted in someone turning in a rocket launcher. Comforting.

Cite? Of course not.

There’s no reason a Neighborhood Watch captain should be patrolling his block with a criminal record and a pistol.

Which may be the reason he wasn't....

Zimmerman was a catastrophe realized. Even in the wake of new evidence about this case, the fact remains if Zimmerman didn’t have a gun, 16-year-old Trayvon Martin would be alive.

And Zimmerman likely wouldn't be alive.

The United States is number one in the world in civilian gun ownership. And since we’re not last in gun violence (we’re the 14th highest in deaths—way higher in just injuries) it’s safe to assume that increasing the number of guns doesn’t decrease the number of gun deaths.

Not so long as Holder People and other Democrats ignore laws against murder, robbery, burglary, carjacking and felonies in general. A good deal of those gun deaths occur in Democrat bastions with just the gun laws the author advocates. Many of the dead are disarmed and defenseless in the face of these criminal thugs.

Just like cutting taxes doesn’t increase revenue—...

Actually it does. But why would the author not be ignorant about that as well?

What a brain dead parrot.

32 posted on 05/24/2012 4:11:30 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Too late, lady.

The Supreme Court already ruled your view obsolete.

Sorry about your luck.

33 posted on 05/24/2012 4:20:03 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The so-called 'mainstream' media has gone from "biased" straight to "utterly surreal".)
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To: cripplecreek
A while back I found some old prison records from the civil war era. It listed items returned to inmates upon release. Among those were guns, knives, clubs etc.

I'd like to see that. Like in the movie "High Plains Drifter" when they let the bad guys out of prison, they handed them their gun belts back as they left the gates.

34 posted on 05/24/2012 4:21:03 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: ctdonath2

“regulated” meaning “government facilitating the most effective use & application”

In 1786, well-regulated meant well-trained. Town and State militias routinely met for drill and shooting practice.

This author is scary stupid!


35 posted on 05/24/2012 4:30:06 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
why gun owners shouldn’t have nuclear weapons

Does she really think a nuclear weapon is an "arm" that might be "borne"? What an idiot!

36 posted on 05/24/2012 4:30:52 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: MileHi

Tina is just resting.

37 posted on 05/24/2012 4:32:04 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yes, well regulated —it’s in the Constitution!

Well regulated didn't mean banned nor goverment controlled.

It meant functional.
38 posted on 05/24/2012 4:40:53 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Men who will not suffer to self govern, will suffer under the governance of lesser men.)
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To: TigersEye

LOL Resting her brain. For years it would seem.

How about that dumb chick in Boulder? What was her deal? Drunk?


39 posted on 05/24/2012 4:43:52 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
Speaking of Eastwood films, remember "Unforgiven"? Little Bill made sure that everyone turned in their guns at town's edge.

Wouldn't want "violence", you know.

40 posted on 05/24/2012 4:47:33 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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