[vetvetdoug]

Your myopic view of history shows. The North had slaveowners and it was the shipping interests of the North that imported the slaves. Several slave states were not in the South. New York's killing of blacks during the Civil War is so easily forgotten by the biased. Post Civil War found the Klan in higher number in the Northern States than in the South up until the 1930’s, Indiana with the highest numbers. These are just a few examples, it'd take the entire bandwidth to enumerate all of them. Northern racism still exists because many of the Northerners have not learned to live with the blacks as have Southerners.

[Vermont Lt]

Importation of slaves ended before the civil war. The slave population was big enough to keep itself going.

The agricultural south could not keep up with the industrial north. That would not have changed.

Slavery as an institution would have been the economical thing for he south to do.

It would have lead to another war when half of the slaves started running north.

And when I think about the stereotypical southern politician, I think y’all would be in the same boat a us.

[Psalm 144]

“Northern racism still exists because many of the Northerners have not learned to live with the blacks as have Southerners.”

My dad used to say that the Northerner would tell the black man he could go higher, but could not come closer. The Southerner would tell the black man he could come closer, but could not go higher. There is too much truth in those generalizations. Happily they are fading to some extent.

My favorite general of the Civil War is Stonewall Jackson. He defied the federals and their murderous invasion, even as he defied Virginia’s proscription against black literacy. He maintained a clandestine school to teach blacks to read, so they could read the Bible and be saved. A rebel’s rebel.

[Mustangman]

Agreed!!! There was indeed many slave holders in the north and racism was rampant. I certainly grant you that fact. Still, that does not overwrite the fact that the North ultimately had the ‘political will’ to end slavery.

To flip it around, I’m certain there were many people who hated slavery in the south as well but, the political will of the south was to maintain slavery. That’s just how it turned out.

I do agree that the north does have sort of a silent racism in their midst to this day. I’m a white guy from Oakland and went to school with mostly black kids and mostly good people. My white liberal friends think black people and minorites are like children who can’t vote, get an ID, or get into college and are always being harrassed by some ‘jack-booted’ white police officer. They know nothing beyond the cliche’s.

I’m actually not sure why more black people don’t feel patronized by white liberals.