Posted on 08/01/2012 11:18:33 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
"Meet The Parents....of alias Barack Obama. Black Sunni Muslim father and White Lebanese Christian mother. Born in the ME, raised in Indonesia, became BHO II in 1982." Dr. Ron J. Polland
The “Mal-Val” youtube video at the link was posted by FReeper Polarik (Dr. Ron Polland) in August of 2011 and while morphing the image of a woman named “Val” into an image of Obama, he insinuates that “Val” is Obama’s mom. One year later this youtube has only 1,150 views.
In July 2012, two FReepers associated the woman, “Val,” in Polarik’s Youtube with Lebanese actress Valerie Sarruf and have posted multiple images of her at various ages on FR eligibility threads. I am opening this thread to invite discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf is Barack Obama’s mother, with or without Malcolm X being his father.
Where could Malcolm X and Valerie Sarruf have been in 1960 when baby Barry would have been conceived? Is there any evidence that Sarruf could have been pregnant and delivered a baby in 1961? In what country could the baby have been delivered? How and when could the alleged Mal-Val baby have been inserted into the identity and life narrative of the person we have come to know as Barack Hussein Obama?
Full disclosure: I refute categorically all of the Mal-Val narrative as wildly speculative and unsupported by any evidence that I have seen so far.
For several years now a shadowy coterie of FReepers styling themselves as “researchers” has gone onto nearly every FR eligibility thread to aggressively refute all evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham was Barack Obama’s mother. They have actually declared flat out that she was never in Hawaii before 1963, contrary to the voluminous evidence including INS FOIA documents!
Requests for links or any evidence that Stanley Ann is NOT the mom have been frequently met with abusive ad hominem attacks and accompanied by claims that ALL documentary evidence showing her to have been in Hawaii in 1960 and 1961 is forged, but no credible evidence of forgery has offered. I make this observation as a retired Certified Fraud Examiner and CPA.
For years the “researchers” had claimed mysteriously to have conclusive evidence that a different woman is Barry’s mom, but refused to reveal her name or any evidence other than her picture because the “researchers” claimed it would disappear from the net and/or from hard copy archives of the records. But this month, the “researchers” appear to have slipped up and revealed that Valerie Sarruf has been the woman whose identity they have been “protecting.” They have since attempted to walk back the revelation, but it is clear, IMO.
The “researchers” claim that they earnestly want to remove Obama from office. But wouldn’t revealing ALL EVIDENCE of a foreign mother and foreign birth (which they also claim) be the most logical approach to removing Obama rather than hiding the identity of this alternative mother for years while attacking FR threads that sincerely attempt to find out where Stanley Ann Dunham was when she gave birth to Barry?
In my opinion, the best evidence that Valerie Sarruf is NOT Barry’s mother is the mountain of evidence that Stanley Ann Dunham IS his mother, which the “researchers” have totally failed to refute.
Again, please use this thread for discussion of and links to any evidence that either supports or refutes a claim that Valerie Sarruf IS Barack Obama’s mother with or without Malcolm X being his father.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolo_Soetoro
“Soetoro earned his bachelor's degree in geography from Gadjah Mada University, Yogyakarta.[4] In 1962, Soetoro, then a civilian employee of the Indonesian Army Topographic Service, obtained an East-West Center grant for graduate study in geography at the University of Hawaii at Manoa.[7] He arrived in Honolulu in September 1962 and graduated from the university with a M.A. in geography in June 1964.”
The evidence that Stanley Ann is the mother and was considered to have been made “hapa” by BHO Sr. is extensive and cross-corroborated consisting of FOIA docs incorporating April 1961 reports to them from U of HI officials, and first-person accounts from Stanley Ann herself, her relatives, (possibly from BHO Sr.s currently muzzled relatives in Kenya) and her friends in Seattle.
The FOIA docs are the most solid of all of the foregoing, with the U of HI reporting to them in April 1961 confirming a pregnancy, a Feb. 2, 1961 (shotgun) wedding and also in the FOIA docs the exact timing of an absence from university corresponding to a late stage of pregnancy and delivery is recorded in US government docs. How many US citizens have such an exact record of their arrival in the world?
On the other hand, I regard verification of the location of Barry's birth to require access to ORIGINAL records in HI or Kenya...Kenya being suggested by the claim that there is a birth index in the Kew UK archive for a male baby born to BHO Sr. in 1961...pointing to Barry.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2908395/posts?q=1&;page=1#1
Oh I get it- you are an obamabot
Ok then, show me Stanley Anne’s signature on the registration book when she should have entered the hospital to give birth ! OH WAIT they wont let any one see that book
OK show me a hospital bill- oops none again
OK so you have records of her travel - it would have been odd for a very pregnant girl to get on a flight from kenya to USA and then travel to seattle a few days after giving birth
So... You have verbal accounts from friends and relatives? show them
I guess that phony birth certificate(s) he presented (twice) were just for fun... and he spent $3million in lawyers fees to keep the issue out of court because he had extra money he didnt feel he needed...
ANd the records indicate a shotgun wedding? thats interesting - I didnt know type of wedding was listed on the form- can I see that please?
If SAD was the mother and BHO from Kenya the father, there would have been no reason for any forgery to occur at all.
Therefore speculation about how Stanley Ann's signature was forged or whether it appeared or in what form on an original 1961 HI LFBC can NOT be based on the White House pdf image, IMO.
You can't see the forest for the trees. A) As I stated above, there would be no reason whatsoever to patch SAD's name using part ball point pen and part fine tip marker (which hadn't been invented in 1961, or at least in common use), if they had a sample of her name they could have just lifted from another document. And B) You are nitpicking things that mean nothing to anyone but your own mind. The point is really quite simple, no advanced degrees necessary. The document presented (actually both) by the WH are forged. And SAD's name is forged using scraps of different signatures. Which they would NOT HAVE HAD TO DO if they even had ONE document with the name "Stanley Ann Dunham Obama" on it to lift. And the other point, real simple, no genius IQ needed:
If SAD and BHO the Kenyan were the parents, no matter where the kid was born, there would have been no need for a forgery AT ANY TIME. The guy in the WH would have had a "fake but real" b.c. his whole life. And if he was adopted in Indo, and somehow whatever he wound up with indicated he had lost his citizenship, of course then he would need a "brand new" forged one. But if SAD were the mother, no need for the patch job on her forged signature.
These doesn't appear to be a motive for a Canadian birth, IMO. There was no “free” healthcare in Cananda until after Barry was born and I do not recall any accounts of lefties going to Canada to have babies.
There was at least one forged BC put on the net for Barry which was quickly debunked.
A cousin of SADO lived on the border, but her family objected strenuously (even seeming to protest too much) to suggestions that SADO was there and popped over the border to have a baby.
At the time I am sure that Seattle had plenty of homes for wayward mothers available, like the rest of the US, and SADO could have stayed in touch with the friends and relatives there...the ones that took her around to visit her friends in late August 1961 where they provided the eyewitness accounts of seeing Barry (with varying consistency, to be sure).
That's not correct.
If Grandma Toot claimed a home birth on the birth certificate, then the whole lie about the birth would have been exploded the moment an historian or biographer or reporter talked to someone in the other family living in the same house at that time.
In fact, Zero is fortunate there WAS a forgery - a member of the family living with the Dunhams HAS been interviewed and said THERE WAS NO BABY THERE.
The whole claim would have already gone up in smoke, if not for the forgery.
BO looks exactly like Stanley Ann
David has done no such thing, IMO, as I personally contested his analysis. The U of HI cross-corroborates the U of WA on the 1961 U of WA courses and they both confirm a Mercer HS graduation in 1960. All of that is solid, verifiable (can be repeatedly verified by others at any time) documentary evidence, plus you've got Polk with a “good enough” variant of SADOs name NEVER associated with an alleged mystery “other wife” of BHO Sr....the alleged mother of Roman Obama. Against this David has only offered his personal speculation about how particularly one of several U of WA docs “should” look.
The fact is, little jeremiah, there has never been a single credible document or credible narrative posted on FR that I have seen which will support a claim that anyone but Stanley Ann Dunham is the mother of the White House occupant. That is why I started this thread so that evidence, not empty claims, could be posted either for or against SADO being the mom, or for or against another candidate to be the mom, such as Valerie Sarruf. Perhaps the thread could by pinged to the list now?
The Mal-Val, narrative of Polarik postulates that Barry is ineligible to be POTUS due to being born on foreign soil to a non-citizen mother who was not married to a US citizen making Barry a non-US national at birth.
Wouldn't any US Constitution-loving patriot INSIST that evidence of such ineligibility be revealed immediately? Are the holders of such claimed evidence so inept at preserving it safely while revealing it to the persons designated by our founders to have the power to investigate and remove usurpers that they are content to let Barry stay in office screwing with our national security for even one day longer than necessary? Think about it!
A narrative explaining what you have described would be that the forgers were trying to be cute by making the forgery more realistic through inserting the appearance of a correction made by Stanley Ann appearing to have her insert her legal forename as an afterthought. This would give the appearance that she signed her name as Ann Dunham Obama, as she would “normally do” (in this narrative) and then realized “Oh, this is a legal document, so I better scribble in my legal first name, Stanley, in the available space.”
It it is natural for us today to look at this and drawn this inference as to what happened in 1961, then a very clever forger could also have staged exactly that inference at the time of the forgery for us to see and to reinforce an impression that the document is genuine, having such an “innocent” correction by Stanley Ann on it.
Think of all of the movie and TV scripts that have little things like this in them as part of the plot line.
Look at how insidious the Bomford BC is. Our enemies are very crafty. What you have described regarding the SADO signature is well within their capability of trying to pull off...and then laughing at us for falling for it. That is how it appears to me, in view of the other evidence that the WH LFBC pdf is 100% forged with all elements brought into an artificially created file...including the SADO signature with modifications.
I only support narratives for which there are verifiable claim of evidence.
You have provided a list of missing evidence regarding SADO none of which refutes the positive evidence that I listed.
Nor have you provided any evidence that could be verified in support of a different mother for Barry that I have seen.
Persons who hijack threads which support a verifiable narrative for Barry using misdirection and ad hominem attacks (such as “you are an obamabot”) are more likely to be Obamabots themselves, IMO, following Alinski rules of attacking other of doing what you are doing. They protect Barry from being convicted of being an usurper in the court of public opinion, the only court that can still bring him down.
Please try to stick to presenting and discussing evidence in support of your position rather than making up lists if missing evidence.
Nah, if the Dunhams or Stanley wanted to claim a HI birth, they could have said he was born at a friend’s house, didn’t have to be that house, plus the date could be “insert any date that sort of works”.
They could easily have. Did you want the most recent Arpaio press conference carefully?
He doesn’t “look exactly”, he has a strong chin and so does she. And he looks absolutely nothing like the Kenyan Obama.
Verifiable in your own mind alone.
David took it apart well enough for plenty of other people. People who aren’t investing in making SAD and apparently BHO the parents. And you think Maraniss is “an historian”!
ROTFLMAO.
That is not a hospital admission, but purports to be a Nairobi registration/certification of birth by an officer “of the Queen.” IMO that is a forgery for numerous reasons, including, improper format, likely compter generated fonts, lacking certification seal or signature, seeming computer kearning (look at the letter f leaning over the leter i in "affirms"). It has gotten no lasting traction on the web or on FR, but it is an example of how clever our enemies can be, like the Bomford BC.
They could easily have. Did you want the most recent Arpaio press conference carefully?
Saying he was a home birth at a friend's house doesn't fix the problem. If an investigator asked that other family or their neighbors, then it's the same problem as if they had asked the family with whom the Dunhams were living.
Remember, Grandma Toot when he was born did not know that one day historians and biographers might be asking questions.
Undoubtedly, they just wanted to avoid the red tape and hassles of raising their grandchild in the U.S. as a foreign citizen.
So, likely she just did the easiest thing and filled out the form saying the baby was born at home and sent it in.
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