Posted on 08/30/2012 2:40:56 PM PDT by PeaRidge
Don’t you know that it is the Republican Party that wants blacks to be returned to being slaves. The Democrats are the party of black liberation and the only party that ever cared for blacks and that they would succeed independently of the Republicans. All those stories about the lincoln and the republicans freeing the slaves are all lies to cover up that the democrats actually freed their blacks slaves and ended slavery in the US.
That is what I learned in my politically correct government run school from unionized teachers.
(sarcasm)
To the average Southerner in 1861 it wasn't.
actually it was.
slavery was becomiong more and more out of favour.
Very interesting. The author at Salon does, of course, make many errors. The first I noticed, he stated the South was afraid they would be surrounded by slave free waters. By the start of the Civil War, they already were. The United States, after Great Britain, banned the trade in slavery. This was before the Civil War. Slaves needed to be home grown, or, snuck in from the Carribean Islands.
Lincolns’ justification for the war was based on Federal properties in the South. When the South “took over” armories, warehouses and forts owned by the Federal government, he felt justified in going to get them back.
The democrats in the South faced an anomaly when West Virginia seceded from the state of Virginia. What could they say or do to justify physically forcing it to return.
Some here have mentioned that the South was perpetually short of manpower, but had brilliant generals. The North had endless manpower, but no brilliant generals. Well, not for a while anyway.
It’s interesting to note that only a small percentage of the Souths’ citizens owned slaves, but virtually all fought.
The rebels were defending their rats.
Union General U.S. Grant said, “IF I thought THIS war was to abolish slavery, I would resign my commission, and offer my sword to the other side”..
And don’t forget what Abe Lincoln said a few weeks before he was assassinated and the end of the war.
Union General Benjamin Butler asked him what he was going to do with all the free Southern Blacks.
To this President Abe Lincoln replied, “I think WE SHOULD DEPORT THEM ALL.”
The first legally-recognized slave in the area that was to become the United States was John Casor, a black man.
A court in Northampton County, Virginia declared him property for life.
John Casor was “owned” by the Black colonist Anthony Johnson.
Yes, the first legally owned slave in the American colonies was owned by a black man! What irony
LOL You saw the flm too.
Ma rats
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Sure it was.
Could be , we don’t know.Though it took amighty long time for slaves to be able to vate in this country,right at 100 years.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072053/posts
Could be , we don’t know.Though it took amighty long time for slaves to be able to vote in this country,right at 100 years.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072053/posts
Could be , we don’t know.Though it took amighty long time for Blacks to be able to vote in this country,right at 100 years.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1072053/posts
I very much agree with your comment on how Lincoln played the foreign nations and the Northern citizen. At the beginning he knew Northerners would not fight to end slavery so he hedged, but he hinted to Great Britain that it was about slavery, which the average citizen in Great Britain abhorred.
I also agree that, with Jackson, Lee could’ve won at Gettysburg. Still he could not win as long as Lincoln, the President in search of a general, would not give up. Grant was just around the corner.
I think that it is less about which side was wrong, and more about, which side was the most right.
agreed.
Jackson is my favourite General by far , I admire how he conducted his battles and kept 3 armies at bay.
The man believed to fight a war he had to be ruthless.
You are right about Grant, the north had some really crap Generals at the start, Burnside etc
Grant was a soldiers soldier and he respected Lee a lot.
Yep—exactly. There were some really funny lines in that flick.
As for the contemporary issues about the Confederate Flag and the like, though, I’m now of the opinion to just let it go. There are young black men on Youtube with videos explaining their reason for displaying the same flag: generally, “southern pride.”
Why not just a tiny bit of anarchy toward being offensive to all who practice current, pretended hypersensitivities? Fly the Stars and Bars with the Jolly Roger on it, too. Many of us went through some small (and some, large) discomforts to support Americans’ right to say whatever in our United States of whatever.
We’ll get more serious about our allegiances (G-d, family and America in that order) and teaching real history to young folks again after the end of the default process, when government won’t be huge enough to make noise again for a while. For now, this is the land of public education tangents about Sacagawea, Amazons and the like. It’s up to us to tighten up and starve the beast.
Meanwhile, we’ll teach proper history and civics to our own kids (sans aging Arkansas feminists indulging in Civil War revisionism and the like).
And BTW, Susan B. Anthony didn’t get all that she wanted from the Republican Party, so she traveled with George Train, Democrat racist, on his neo-Confederate, romanticist speaking tour. She refused requests to speak against lynchings. Democrats...
You can have your own opinions, no matter how crazy, but you don't get to make up your own facts.
My ancestor that owned slaves fought for the Union. Five of my ancestors that fought for the South didn’t. The main reason they fought was because the Yankees were “down here”, invading their homes and farms.
"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition."
- Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, March 12th, 1861
Case closed.
OK I’ll join the battle too. My ancestors on my mother’s side were Lancaster PA farmers who were very religious abolitionists and many ended up Union soldiers. The war ended the right way — with the abolition of slavery in the South. And its disgusting that Southern Democrats forced institutional racism back into society after Reconstruction, including having their terror arm, the KKK, terrorize blacks for voting Republican.
I’m surprised by the young around here.
Most of my teen son pals have in some way a confederate flag and so does many at their school.
Blacks down here have no problem what so ever with it and like I said I’ve had blacks fly that flag and one even wore one on his shorts for a fight.
I listened to one gy at a convention I was at who was black and had ancestors who fought for the south, he was one of the most ardent supporters for the flag I have met
Funny how the Dems ignore their own history sin;t it and if the GOP had any balls and sense then they woudl point out history and civil rights.
Fly the stars and bars and the snotty nosed whites have no clue what it is.
Loved how GA changed their flag to one now which looks like the stars and bars.
Sadly they did change their flag but we’ve had people trying to change our state flag
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