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To: Castlebar
Castlebar: "...the idea that the U.S. went to war to seize Canada has more to do with the anglophile bias of historians and professors that with reality."

I'd call it simple common sense, since:

  1. In 1775, among its first actions, Congress sent two separate expeditions (Montgomery & Arnold) to conquer Canada.

  2. Those invasions failed, but that did not stop Benjamin Franklin from demanding Quebec during the 1783 Paris peace negotiations.
    He didn't get Quebec, but did get Ohio.

  3. Less than a month after declaring war on Britain in June 1812, the United States under General William Hull again invaded Canada, at Detroit.
    Hull was promptly defeated.

  4. In October 1812, the US under Major General Stephen Van Rensselaer again invaded Candad, at Niagara.
    Van Rensseler was defeated at Queenston Heights.

  5. These two invasions were intended as parts of a four -pronged invasion, the third being Major General John Dearborn's advance to Montreal.
    Dearborn was defeated at Lacolle, Quebec.

  6. In the spring of 1813, Americans again invaded Canada -- three different times -- burning Parliament buildings in Toronto, capturing Fort George on the Niagara River and finally suffering defeat at the Battle of Beaver Dam.

  7. In the fall of 1813 the US three more times invaded Canada, first under General (future President) William Henry Harrison.
    Harrison's victory at the Battle of the Thames (near Chatham, Ontario) helped eventually elect him President, but his army's enlistments expiring forced them to soon retreat back to Detroit.

  8. In October - November 1813, the US twice more invaded Canada, along the St. Lawrence River -- US Major General Wade Hampton marched north from Lake Champlain to join a second force under General James Wilkinson, planned to embark in boats and sail from Sackett's Harbor on Lake Ontario, to capture Montreal.
    Hampton was defeated at Chateaugua (near Ormstown, Ontario), Wilkinson was defeated at Crysler's Field (Cornwall, Ontario)

By my count, that's eleven different invasions of Canada between 1775 and 1813, plus Franklin's 1783 attempt to negotiate acquisition.
So I'd say some dreams of conquest take a long time to die.

387 posted on 09/23/2012 5:52:19 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK
Thank you for your reply, BroJoeK.

By the logic in that post, evidently we fought World War II because we wanted to annex North Africa and Normandy.

The U.S. invaded those areas to get at the enemy that had attacked us.

In 1812, perhaps the U.S. should have attacked the 300 Ships of the line and 300 frgates and 100 sloops of the Royal Navy with our 300 ships of the line and 300 frigates and 100 sloops - but all we had was six frigates. We did what we could; and it was barely enough to save the country within it's 1812 borders.

It was arguably the most glorious time in our history, and left-leaning America-bashing history professors delight in denigrating it.

392 posted on 09/23/2012 6:54:22 AM PDT by Castlebar
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