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To: Red Steel
What's more "natural" than all persons are all naturally under kings? The way royalty thinks about everyone - your highness.

LOL!

737 posted on 07/24/2013 1:00:35 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as defined by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as defined by the laws of Man)
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To: MamaTexan
I've gone over Tucker/ Nicholas page 7 and it doesn't support their position. I transcribed some of it here:

"Prior to the adoption of the Constitution,the people inhabiting the different states might have been divided into two classes; natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens of such as were born out of it ....I say by the laws that were in force prior to their emigrating to the state; ..."

We see the letter refers to citizen laws 'prior' to the US Constitution acknowledging it was different times of course. Since the colonies were part of the British Empire, some independent state laws would reflect British traditional laws (Brit. common law) that everyone would be considered a 'natural born' ,if born in state, as I so pointed out in post #733 above, which is not the same as natural born citizens under natural law.

And we see that Nicholas brings up the state of Virginia that had another class called "denizens".

Moreover- "Virginia the privileges of alien friends depended on the constitution of each state, the acts of its legislature, and the common law; by these they were considered according to the time of their residence, and their having complied with certain requisites pointed out by those laws, either as denizens or naturalized citizens"

"As denizens, they were placed in a kind of middle state between aliens and natural born citizens; by naturalization, they were put exactly in the same conditions that they would have been, if they have been born within the state, except as far as was specially except by the laws of each state. The degree of privilege to which each class of aliens was entitled was different, but the claim of each to the privileges annexed by law to his classes was equally well established;"

In the state of Virgina, prior to the US Constitution, A "denizen" could be born in the state of Virginia, 'denizen by birth' and he would not be considered a natural born citizen.

740 posted on 07/24/2013 2:08:49 PM PDT by Red Steel
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