Another Cold Fusion Device Attracts Commercial Interest

Oil Price.com ^ | Thu, 19 September 2013 22:40 | Brian Westenhaus

[Kevmo]

So there’s your cold water in the face, charlatans and their gullible believers in the pie in the sky and free energy and let’s ignore the second law of thermodynamics
***Who says the 2nd law is being ignored? Have you read up on the Widom-Larson theory? How about KP Sinha’s theory? Or is it that you don’t trust PhD Nuclear Physicists?

For those in rio Linda that is energy cannot be created or destroyed. Only changed from one form to another
***Wow, that just blows my hair back the way you explained it... /s

Mark my words Freepers
***I am marking your words, noting how poor those words have been written down, and how poorly you defend your thoughts.

[Kevmo]

Excellent point.

For instance, I see all kinds of threads on catholic beliefs that I consider to be a waste of time... so ... I don’t click on them.

[Kevmo]

propose that, in condensed matter, local breakdown of the Born-Oppenheimer approximation occurs in homogeneous, many-body, collectively oscillating patches of protons, deuterons, or tritons found on surfaces of fully loaded metallic hydrides
***Their proposal is as good as anyone else’s, maybe. Something breaks down locally inside metallic hydrides. If it’s the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, then KP Sinha wins the Nobel. I think that there’s a lot of evidence of Bose-Einstein Condensates being formed (Y.E. Kim would get the Nobel prize), but the temperatures are way too high for BEC formation. So my proposal is that instead of a 3D BEC forming, it’s a 2D or 1D BEC, forming along only one axis rather than 3.

[Truthoverpower]

No sir I have a JOB or two actually. Not all day to try and SOUND smart

Capisce?

Believe in the tooth fairy all ya want

I’m sticking with REAL world engineering

Thanks for your input and one day i send ya one of MY white papers or 50 page analyses

Geezh!

[Red Badger]

Yes, but that fits into the category of a high-energy process, and thus is well-accepted by the hot physics folks.

That also fits into the category of high priced technology, and thus is well accepted by the crony capitalist folks....................

[Wonder Warthog]

"That also fits into the category of high priced technology, and thus is well accepted by the crony capitalist folks...................."

True dat! (Cajun expression)

[Wonder Warthog]

"I’m sticking with REAL world engineering."

Good idea. Since you want to do that, I suggest you obtain a copy of George Beaudette's book "Excess Heat, Why Cold Fusion Research Prevailed".

His biography:

Charles Beaudette was born in Boston in 1930. He attended Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Mass., where he majored in electrical engineering and held the position of managing editor of The Tech, the official student newspaper. He was awarded the degree of Bachelor of Science in electrical engineering in 1952. In 1958 he started Dychro Corporation and sold it to a computer company in 1961. From 1963 to 1973 he was employed by EG&G Corporation in Wellesley, Massachusetts, in the capacity of senior engineer and engineering manager. It was during this time that he participated in the technology development for what eventually became the office facsimile, and which work included development of what is now the PC modem. From this activity, Mr. Beaudette was issued a patent on image processing for variable speed page scanning and transmission.

After retirement, he attended an ICCF (International Conference on Cold Fusion) symposium on a whim, and found there, not the fraud and fakery he expected, but serious science and research.

The book is the result of his research into the reality of cold fusion.

He covers the experimental evidence quite well (though now a bit dated, as the book was written in 2002), as well as the "sociological factors" that led the physicists (NOT Pons and Fleischmann)to "get it wrong".

[ZX12R]

Something breaks down locally inside metallic hydrides. If it’s the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, then KP Sinha wins the Nobel. I think that there’s a lot of evidence of Bose-Einstein Condensates being formed (Y.E. Kim would get the Nobel prize), but the temperatures are way too high for BEC formation. So my proposal is that instead of a 3D BEC forming, it’s a 2D or 1D BEC, forming along only one axis rather than 3.

I think it just takes the appropriate kind of pixie dust sprinkled on the electrodes.

[Kevmo]

Not only is your writing piss poor, but your actual reasoning (once one is able to figure out what you’re really trying to say) basically is purely fallacious. Capisce?

[Kevmo]

That also fits into the category of high priced technology, and thus is well accepted by the crony capitalist folks....................
***If the LENR scientists were half the charlatan scam artists their critics claim, they’d be all over this angle. My personal opinion of the Widom-Larson theory is that it is baloney, borne out of the need to distance themselves from what resembles cold fusion. But it shows that coming up with a theory based upon scientific political correctness can actually move the ball forward, so it has its value. What we need is a high energy LENR theory that would focus on Electron Capture and attract $200M in seed money just so that regular LENR experiments can be carried out.

[Kevmo]

Basic Derision

asked & answered

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[Truthoverpower]

Ok expert. What a petulant fool you are and once again you resort to liberal tactics of insult the challenger

Show me a real product with their bullshit ok? Or GET WET

Like A 10 MW ( tiny little crap ) power plant that produces power for less than 10c per kwh or therms for less that $4 per MM BTU and then get back to me

Ok , expert in engineering science and technology?

People like you should go to liberal sites and have fun with other morons who love to dream about nonsense.

I’m surrounded by them

Until then keep you stupid comments to yourself or PRODUCE REAL DATA.

I’ve been in this game for a long long time and don’t suffer fools easily

Cheers anyway

[Smokin' Joe]

Oil will just be used to make plastic products.

and lubricants, pharmaceuticals, fabrics, fertilizers, etc....and roads.

[GeronL]

can we 3-d print a cold fusion device?

[Smokin' Joe]

Mebbe someday.

I haven't decided if this is going to be significant in the marketplace soon or not (Scientific thought has it's own form of inertia, and overcoming the tendency to stay fixed in course and speed can take significant input). Once overcome, however, vectors can change rapidly, and I work in the oil industry so it could affect me personally.

But I noticed the price of palladium held while other precious metals were dropping. I don't get the impression that is because the auto manufacturers were snarfing it up for catalytic converters for all the new vehicles they are building for the huge economic recovery we're in (/s).

So who is picking up the palladium?

I hadn't realized there was research going into palladium/deuterium, even though I was aware of the nickel hydride devices.

There are a host of other catalytic uses for Palladium, so this may not be a factor.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Wow. The newbie jumped right in with his whining.

I’m guessing a DU invader.

[ZX12R]

Basic Derision

If it ever deserves more than that, you let me know. Until it resembles something like technological progress, that's all it gets. Or until it warrants a research paper in some periodical overseen by real scientists, not the ones created by cold fusion groupies.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Or until it warrants a research paper in some periodical overseen by real scientists, not the ones created by cold fusion groupies."

Many are available. The fact that you do NOT know that simply is reflective of your ignorance on the topic.

Last time I looked, "Naturwissenschaften" qualifed on all counts. Several papers there.

Maybe we can find some magic pixie dust that acts as a seagull repellent.

[Kevmo]

Ok expert. What a petulant fool you are and once again you resort to liberal tactics of insult the challenger
***I didn’t insult you, I insulted your writing and your reasoning.

Show me a real product with their bullshit ok? Or GET WET
***asked & answered. You don’t seem too familiar with the process of science, only just engineering design. They’re completely different. Duhh.

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[Kevmo]

Ok , expert in engineering science and technology? People like you should go to liberal sites and have fun with other morons who love to dream about nonsense.
***Dude, your writing. Ouch. Please take that writing class.

I’m surrounded by them Until then keep you stupid comments to yourself or PRODUCE REAL DATA.
***Let’s start with how the Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times. Doesn’t it bother you that so far, EVERY argument you’ve presented is simply countered by an asked & answered file? It should give you an idea of how little you have read up on this phenomena. But, it probably won’t, because you’re so wrapped around the axle.
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I’ve been in this game for a long long time and don’t suffer fools easily
***And therefore we have little room for suffering you until you come up to speed and read something.

Cheers anyway
***TTFN. Hope you actually do the reading, but I won’t be holding my breath.