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LGBT Is the Real Moral Majority (Yeah, he went there)
The Daily Beast ^ | May 8, 2015 | Michael Tomasky

Posted on 05/08/2015 11:05:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Evangelicals could learn to reap the success of their ideological opponents, notably the LGBT community. But when you think your orders come from God, evolution can be tough.

So now that Mike Huckabee has thrown in, we have three or arguably four Republican candidates elbowing one another to win the collective heart of the evangelical right. In addition to Huck, there’s Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, and maybe Rand Paul, whose links to the constituency are more tenuous but who clearly is in there pitching.

What they all understand, of course, is that the evangelical presence looms large in the Iowa caucuses, and it’s quite possible that only one of them is going to get out of the state alive. So by that measure, the Christian right still wields considerable political power in this country. But outside the realm of the Republican presidential primary process—and maybe soon within it—the religious right is losing wattage fast, and I can report to you happily that the movement has only itself to blame.

Here’s a fascinating little politico-cultural data point that may have blown past you this week and would have me were it not for Rod Dreher at The American Conservative: A new I>Wall Street Journal/NBC poll shows that more Americans say they feel enthusiastic about or comfortable with an openly gay or lesbian presidential candidate than an openly evangelical Christian one. Yep. Three out of five, or 61 percent, said they’d welcome a gay candidate, while just 52 percent would say the same of an evangelical.

The comparison is instructive, because if you contrast these two movements and their relative political success in recent years, you see a very clear distinction that should (and does) make Republicans nervous. You see why the LGBT movement is winning and why religious conservatives are losing—and further, why evangelicals, the foot soldiers of the religious right, probably can’t do anything about it without in effect ceasing to be evangelicals (at least of the stripe they’ve been for 30-plus years).

When I was a young journalist in New York, I witnessed and to some extent covered the rise of the post-AIDS gay and lesbian movement, as it was then known. I remember the rise of ACT UP, the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power. ACT UP got in people’s faces, and certainly to some extent understandably so. But there were the occasional militant actions that lost potential supporters—the kiss-ins at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, notably, and even on one occasion I recall the desecration of the Host by one protestor within the Cathedral itself on a Sunday morning. That one lost even me, as well as a lot of people more important than I am.

This is making a very long story very short, but in essence, over time, the leaders of the movement saw that it was more important to persuade public opinion than to shock it. And so the public-relations strategy around the movement for same-sex marriage became “we’re just like you.” And it worked, in all the ways you already know about. The poll I cite above has 58 percent of respondents hoping the Supreme Court rules in favor of same-sex marriage, and just 37 percent hoping it rules against.

In other words, the LGBT movement figured out that it had to find a way to get people who didn’t agree to agree.

Now let’s look at the Christian right. Has it done anything over the years to change its approach, try to widen its reach? Basically, no. Evangelicals care about the issues they’ve cared about for three decades. There have in fairness been occasional attempts to broaden the reach, but they’ve mostly blown up. Richard Cizik of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) tried to get the movement interested in climate change, and it blew up in his face. Then he expressed mere ambivalence about same-sex marriage—on NPR, no less!—and got thrown out of NAE (resigned, officially).

Lately, the big issue for Christian conservatives is religious freedom. Are they winning that one? No. Public opinion is divided, for example, on the Supreme Court’s Hobby Lobby decision, and different polls yield different results depending on how the question is asked. But many polls, like this one by Reuters, find that majorities oppose even a private employers’ “right” to deny contraceptive coverage to women.

Americans are against the religious right, too, on state laws like the one Governor Mike Pence originally tried to pass in Indiana, and which evangelical conservatives are pushing elsewhere. When Arizona was considering a similar law, 66 percent in one poll said they wouldn’t want their state passing such a law. And you saw what happened to Pence—he backed down, his ratings went in the toilet, and if you mention him today as a presidential contender, it’s only as a punch line.

Americans were once that opposed to equal rights for gay people, too. But the movement changed, and public opinion changed. The religious right, however, can’t change. When you believe the Big Guy Himself handed you down your positions, you’re not going to alter them or indeed even the way you talk about them.

What is the religious right’s version of “we’re just like you”? I don’t think there is one. Because they are not like the rest of us, at least when it comes to politics. The rest of us are a bunch of different things (many quite religious). But we, motley as we are, believe in separation of church and state and the principle that as far as public life goes, the Constitution quite effortlessly trumps the Bible. And those among this larger “we” who are religious think religion demands chiefly that we behave compassionately toward the less fortunate, not that we refuse to bake cakes for matrimonially minded lesbians.

At long last, the real moral majority is winning. 


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If you can be forced to bake a cake or arrange flowers for a ceremony that you oppose, then you're a slave.
1 posted on 05/08/2015 11:05:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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I guess they don’t realize how offended the Muslims will be,it amounts to the biggest taunt yet!


2 posted on 05/08/2015 11:09:53 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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I guess they don’t realize how offended the Muslims will be,it amounts to the biggest taunt yet!


3 posted on 05/08/2015 11:10:05 AM PDT by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What a fool you have excerpted. Sic transit gloria mundi.


4 posted on 05/08/2015 11:11:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LGBT? At 3%, they’re nowhere near a majority.. and the SURE as hell aren’t “moral” by any stretch!


5 posted on 05/08/2015 11:13:06 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Hillary is nothing more than a white, wrinkled form of Obama in pants.)
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the author

6 posted on 05/08/2015 11:14:29 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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7 posted on 05/08/2015 11:17:09 AM PDT by TADSLOS (A Ted Cruz Happy Warrior! GO TED!)
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3% my butt, they are more like 1%. TV/media puts them in every dang show so it looks like they are every where.


8 posted on 05/08/2015 11:18:14 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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. . . more Americans say they feel enthusiastic about or comfortable with an openly gay or lesbian presidential candidate than an openly evangelical Christian one

This is to some extent overstated, with people claiming the politically correct position so they will not become victims like the pizza parlor that answered a hypothetical about catering a gay "wedding". However, there is also a serious problem with messaging. We need our candidate to articulate the conservative position in such a manner that the media cannot effectively present our views dishonestly. That will take another Ronald Reagan. I'm hoping Ted Cruz can do that job, but I'm not convinced.

9 posted on 05/08/2015 11:19:02 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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We're at the End Game stage now, because the author of the article is shamelessly calling Evil Good and Good Evil, as was predicted a very long time ago.

Getcher popcorn out, folks. Judgment's a-comin'!

10 posted on 05/08/2015 11:19:08 AM PDT by sauron ("Truth is hate to those who hate Truth" --unknown)
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The Constitution trumps the Bible?

Well then, I sure am glad that the Constitution has the phrase “or prohibit the free exercise thereof” in regards to religion....


11 posted on 05/08/2015 11:19:35 AM PDT by KC_Lion (This Millennial is for Cruz!)
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"If you can be forced to bake a cake or arrange flowers for a ceremony that you oppose, then you're a slave."

It's become painfully obvious the the 1st Amendment no longer applies to all.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or of the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for redress of grievances.

Apparently the above (especially the first phrase about religion) is no longer valid according to partisan judges through their lawyer type parsing throughout the decades.

Am I one of the very few who actually has a copy of the Constitution on my desk? Is it even taught in public schools anymore?

Where did we go wrong? Oh wait, I know. Read Bork's book, "Sliding Into Gomorrah". It explains how and why the counter-culture in the 60's came about and has destroyed our values from within. It's old, but still relevant.

12 posted on 05/08/2015 11:25:52 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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Yeah, but the libs read the 1st Amendment as GIVING them the power to “prohibit the free exercise thereof”.


13 posted on 05/08/2015 11:26:41 AM PDT by MeganC (You can ignore reality, but reality won't ignore you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Sh!t on the Sheets” is moral to unprincipled degenerates.


14 posted on 05/08/2015 11:31:16 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Romans 13:12)
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3% my butt, they are more like 1%. TV/media puts them in every dang show so it looks like they are every where.

And this is exactly correct. Their current popularity is due to the false way in which they are presented on popular entertainment media. If they would show the diseases and the orgies, the public would think they were depraved sickos which would be more accurate.

The media is our enemy.

15 posted on 05/08/2015 11:35:40 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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The gays run the entire media, soup to nuts. You want to work in the media biz, you’d better go along.


16 posted on 05/08/2015 11:36:54 AM PDT by dfwgator
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And those among this larger “we” who are religious think religion demands chiefly that we behave compassionately toward the less fortunate

Well I don't consider LGBT "less fortunate" than I, as the writer apparently feels.

We all fall short of the glory of God. Way short.

Its how we deal with our shortcomings that makes the difference.

17 posted on 05/08/2015 11:38:11 AM PDT by skeeter
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The gays run the entire media, soup to nuts. You want to work in the media biz, you’d better go along.

The problem is, conservatives don't want to be activists, they want to be left alone, but what we need are people filing lawsuits and harassing these media entities to the point where they can't get away with their existing hiring/business practices.

If we went after their licenses, filed discrimination in hiring lawsuits against them, investigated them under RICO statutes, and basically made them understand they will never sleep soundly again till we get what we want, then we wouldn't have to be dealing with their bullsh*t now. But as I said, conservatives don't want to be activists, we only engage in activism as a defensive measure because they won't leave us alone.

18 posted on 05/08/2015 11:40:52 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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What is the religious right’s version of “we’re just like you”?

I side with Shadrach, Meschach and Abed-nego.

19 posted on 05/08/2015 11:42:03 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Slanted reporting as usual. Article cites Arizona and Indiana withdrawal from religious liberty legislation, but makes no mention of Louisiana’s forging ahead under Bobby Jindal. Seems Jindal has more guts than Pence and Arizona’s gov. combined.


20 posted on 05/08/2015 11:43:26 AM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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