Islam’s Hatred of the Clitoris

FrontPage Magazine ^ | Jamie Glazov

[PJ-Comix]

Doc can look it up the next time he steals a Gideon Bible from a motel room.

[Sci Fi Guy]

Uuuuummmm - there's a huge difference. Male circumcision doesn't prevent him from having sexual pleasure.

actually female circumcision is a misleading term, castration is far more accurate.

[Sci Fi Guy]

Actually, the feminists have been outspoken about this issue.

yes but when the UN had their conferences on(for) Women the leading issues were abortion and gay rights. So I guess that since this does not affect them(american/european fems) personally, it's not their number one issue.

[Doc On The Bay]

Abraham was a Man--acting on what he believed were "Divine Instructions!"

THINK!!--Would a "Loving God" DELIBERATELY "GELD" a "Creation" he made "Out of a Father's Love??"

WHY NOT simply create "MAN" WITHOUT a Foreskin??

What kind of "Father" would require his Children to Sexually mutilate their Infants??

There is SOMETHING WRONG HERE___

Doc

[disclaimer]

No but He made the original Rx

The Catholic church does not require circumcision - now you're saying that you know better than the Catholic church on this matter.

[PJ-Comix]

There is SOMETHING WRONG HERE___

So why don't you take it upon yourself to rewrite the Bible?

[PJ-Comix]

The Catholic church does not require circumcision.

Doesn't REQUIRE it but also does NOT PROHIBIT it. Or are you saying there was something wrong in the fact that Jesus was circumcised?

[PJ-Comix]

THINK!!--Would a "Loving God" DELIBERATELY "GELD" a "Creation" he made "Out of a Father's Love??"

Oh, and Doc, after you read that Gideon Bible, try reading a Webster's DICTIONARY. "GELD" is completely DIFFERENT than "CIRCUMCISE."

[Consort]

The American Clitorati has selective outrage.

[crystalk]

As a doctor, you should be aware that to circumcize a man does not "geld" = castrate and thus sterilize, him. It does not even do what a vasectomy would, that is, sterilize him without making him impotent or feminized. It only has esthetic and hygienic advantages, unless one be of such religion(s) including Islam by the way, which require it...

But your post had the effect of saying that this was merely a human folly, while my post says that, to a believer, God himself may have mandated or even performed, the operation on occasion.

[disclaimer]

Doesn't REQUIRE it but also does NOT PROHIBIT it. Or are you saying there was something wrong in the fact that Jesus was circumcised?

If Jesus was circumcised yet didn't REQUIRE the proceedure of his followers, then God DOES NOT REQUIRE it either. That is my point. If circumcision was necessary then it would have been required those following Jesus.

Since it is clearly not required, then it should be at the option of the person having the proceedure. Got that?!

[PJ-Comix]

Since it is clearly not required, then it should be at the option of the person having the proceedure. Got that?!

Thanx for agreeing with me. Bottom line: God did NOT condemn circumcision. If it was the HORRIBLE practice that Doc claims, at NO POINT would it have been recommended. Got that?

[disclaimer]

Thanx for agreeing with me. Bottom line: God did NOT condemn circumcision. If it was the HORRIBLE practice that Doc claims, at NO POINT would it have been recommended. Got that?

The point is that circumcision is NOT REQUIRED and is OPTIONAL. The person subjected to circumcision MUST have a choice of accepting it or not.

You make the mistake of thinking that the Old Testament style of circumcision is the same as the modern method using a specially designed clamp. In the old days, a SYMBOLIC portion of skin was removed, now almost the complete foreskin is taken away. What was called circumcision in the Old Testament is not the same as circumcision is today - today the practice is much more destructive.

[Doc On The Bay]

GEEZ, PJ, Unless you're an UTTERLY insensitive Female, you NEED to talk (Frankly & Honestly) with some Males who have been Circumcised AFTER they became "Sexually Active!!"

"Circumcision" IS NOT a "Harmless Procedure!!"

I Make this recommendation in Good Faith--I have the UTMOST RESPECT for your opinion!!

Doc

[Doc On The Bay]

"Circumcision" is a Surgical Procedure involving the removal of a SEXUALLY SENSITIVE portion of the Male Reproductive Anatomy.

The Anatomy & Neurophysiology is INDISPUTABLE!!

The Psychological & Sociological consequences are debatable!

However: DON'T tell ME that "Circumcision" is HARMLESS & INCONSEQUENTIAL!!

YOU CANNOT MUTILATE a child & expect NO CONSEQUENCES!!

"Circumcision" IS TRAUMATIC!!

Doc

[PJ-Comix]

Unless you're an UTTERLY insensitive Female, you NEED to talk (Frankly & Honestly) with some Males who have been Circumcised AFTER they became "Sexually Active!!"

I have and they were all pissed off that their parents were too clueless to have them circumcised after birth when there would be a lot less pain involved. However, after a few weeks of some pain, they were back to normal again except they were a lot cleaner.

[PJ-Comix]

The Anatomy & Neurophysiology is INDISPUTABLE!!

The Psychological & Sociological consequences are debatable!

However: DON'T tell ME that "Circumcision" is HARMLESS & INCONSEQUENTIAL!!

YOU CANNOT MUTILATE a child & expect NO CONSEQUENCES!!

"Circumcision" IS TRAUMATIC!!

Speaking of psychological...Aw, never mind.

[Doc On The Bay]

WELL, "PJ," i doubt I could EVER influence your "Preconceived Understanding" of the actual Trauma & Sexual Damage of Circumcision==(Male OR Female)!

As a Trained Surgeon, I Tell you that ANY "Surgical Procedure" performed on the Human Body is TRAUMATIC!

ANY "Surgical Procedure" performed on a "Reproductively Capable" Human is HUGHLY TRAUMATIC!!

The "Works" DON'T "WORK RIGHT!!!!!"

"Circumcision" is an UTTER, NON-Medical assault on a person's Genitals!!

"Circumcision,"--in the absense of a CLEAR Medical "Indication" for the Surgery,--is Malpractice!!

Doc

[Doc On The Bay]

DAMN!!

"PJ," I have ENORMOUS RESPECT for you!!

I have followed & Read your 'Posts for YEARS!!

I regard you to be one of the "Brightest, Most Articulate" FReepers on this extraordinary Website!!

I've NEVER checked your background; BUT, your comments & assertions about Male Circumcision are indicative of a HIGH DEGREE of "Misinformation!!"

I am a FULLY TRAINED & HIGHLY EXPERIENCED General Surgeon. I have a VAST Field of experience in Medicine, (& I LOVE what I Do!!)

While I would NEVER claim to "Speak For" ANY "Group" of my Patients, I can report to you a "Strong Sense" of the "Thoughts & Beliefs & Feelings" of the Many Thousands of patients I have "Dealt With!!"

I can Honestly Report that I have "Treated" about 1/4 Million "Patients" over the past 30 years!!

I'm Simply trying to say that "Circumcision" is NOT like "Cutting a Toenail!!"

The "Victim" of this "Procedure" is PERMANENTLY TRAUMATIZED!!=="Infant or Not"!!!

Take IT from an "Expert,"-----"Circumcision" is NOT "Benign!!"

"Circumcision" IS NOT EQUIVALENT to "Cutting One's Toenails!!!!"

I SAY THIS as One who has a CREDIBLE level of "Expertise!!"

Doc

[PJ-Comix]

I can Honestly Report that I have "Treated" about 1/4 Million "Patients" over the past 30 years!!

You've worked on 250,000 broken Talleywhackers????!!! Dude, you need a break. Take a vacation (but not to the Washington Monument) and get your mind off that topic.

I'm Simply trying to say that "Circumcision" is NOT like "Cutting a Toenail!!"

But you did say is was like being Gelded. Let's compromise. Circumcision is somewhere between getting your fingernails clipped and getting Gelded....with it being WAY CLOSER to having your fingernails clipped.

The "Victim" of this "Procedure" is PERMANENTLY TRAUMATIZED!!=="Infant or Not"!!!

YUP! It's pretty much destroyed my life....Yawn!