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Government Raid Victims of the "War on Drugs"
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Posted on 09/03/2002 7:41:56 AM PDT by JediGirl

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To: Reagan Man
It's very sad and in some cases its a crime, when innocent folks are caught up in the drug culture and when law enforcemnt activities cross over the line.

It's because of the frequency of this outcome, where the police are using over-the-line martial law tactics, that so many of us are outraged and calling for a stop to this egregious violation of our basic rights as Americans.

I understand that federal law prohibits drug use, and to that end, LEOs are obligated to do what they can to stop it. But think for a minute if this type of approach isn't just courting disaster every time it's employed.

I've never done a drug in my life and don't generally associate with those who do. If for some reason the police startled me from my sleep by ramming through my door at 3 in the morning, you better believe I'm gonna have a loaded Mossberg in my hand.

Under those circumstances, am I going to take the time to process whether this is a police raid (why would the police be raiding me?) or thugs breaking in to kill me and rape my wife?

321 posted on 09/14/2002 5:52:52 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: fight_truth_decay
terrorists flock to the drug trade -- and earn hundreds of millions of dollars in profits.

This is the most laughable of the tactics du jour in the war on drugs.

You know where terrorists get their money? U.S. taxpayers. That's right... you and me, whether we like it or not. Between 1994 and 1998 the U.S. government (aka American taxpayers) gave $500 million in aid to the Palestinians.

Now John Walters and the ONDCP has the audacity to tell us that pot smokers ought to be ashamed because they're funding terrorism. That's beneath contempt!

322 posted on 09/14/2002 6:23:58 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Jimer
Now list the names of those who died because of drugs.

While we're on the nanny state bandwagon, let's make a list of people killed with guns and you can give us you're profound and more-right-than-the-rest-of-us reasons for banning guns also, because they kill people you know.

323 posted on 09/14/2002 6:43:14 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
You're responding to messages that are as old as two weeks. I heard of "jet lag", but this has to be "drug lag." Does your "td" stand for "time delayed?"
324 posted on 09/14/2002 7:38:27 AM PDT by Consort
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To: JediGirl
Even those who did and do engage in drug use do not warrant death. It was (and is) a personal choice and it was (and is) individual's own bodies.

It was an is against the law, too. What they warrant is prison, where we've got a lot of them and intend to put more of them every day until this complete disregard of the law stops.

325 posted on 09/14/2002 7:49:42 AM PDT by Whilom
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To: Jimer
Hey smart ass, watch the slander. I've never used a drug in my life. Just because I don't spend every day pouring through FR doesn't mean my posts aren't valid, quite unlike anything you've posted.

Why is it that you and your kind can never give anythinng close to a reasoned and civilized answer. You must have nothing of merit on your side of the argument. It's a really transparent show of desperation.

326 posted on 09/14/2002 7:53:01 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Whilom
It was an is against the law, too.

Laws that violate basic concepts of freedom and justice need to be repealed and anyone who speaks out in favor of that is fully justified.

If your state passed a law that mandated you to house a homeless person for four weeks a year, that would be injust and you'd be right to argue against it, resist it, and/or ignore it if you could.

Lest you think this is a hypothetical scenario, you don't know some of the most notorious liberal politicians very well.

327 posted on 09/14/2002 7:59:42 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Now you're getting down to the basic argument of the legalizers -- change the law or ignore it. Well, we've decided we'll enforce it. Running out of prisons? Don't worry, we'll build more. Like it better in Canada or Holland or California? Good luck.
328 posted on 09/14/2002 3:24:10 PM PDT by Whilom
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To: tdadams
LOL! Are you one of those no-dope teetotallers who is suffering supreme anguish because you have been denied the right to freely smoke a substance you have never smoked and have no desire to ever smoke?

That must be almost painful.

329 posted on 09/14/2002 4:46:07 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: tdadams
Poor tdadams. Writhing in hypothetical pain from illusory chains that mentally chafe his wrists.
330 posted on 09/14/2002 4:47:46 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Whilom
So you'd rather see the law enforced at the expense of justice... just like all of history's dictators. That's not America.
331 posted on 09/15/2002 7:06:50 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Kevin Curry
If my rights are being violated by my government -whether or not I choose to excercise that right - I will fight it. Count on it.

If the government passed a law that said I have to share my home with the homeless or that I have to donate part of my land to charity, you better believe I'd fight that kind of government violation of rights even if I wasn't a homeowner or landowner.

The mark of an infantile personality is when you're only willing to do something because it benefits you directly. That seems to be where you're coming from. Some of us operate on that higher plain of human civility known as principles.

Of course, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see your infantile personality. Why is it that you and your pro-WOD buddies here can never make your case with facts, logic, reason, and civility? You always have to resort to personal attacks, baseless allegations, and outright slander.

You're only demonstrating how little merit your position has, so I guess I should welcome that behavior.

332 posted on 09/15/2002 7:15:37 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
So you'd rather see the law not enforced instead of justice -- just like the Socialists in Canada, Holland, Germany, and Denmark.
333 posted on 09/15/2002 9:15:14 AM PDT by Whilom
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To: Whilom
So you'd rather see the law not enforced instead of justice

I'd like to see the law changed to reflect an American sense of justice. Haven't you been paying attention?

Do you think trying to change the law is so wrong? It's one of the founding priniciples of the Constitution, so if you think I'm wrong for wanting to change the law, tell me what other parts of the Constitution you'd like to throw out.

334 posted on 09/15/2002 10:12:03 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Whilom
just like the Socialists in Canada, Holland, Germany, and Denmark.

There's nothing wrong with the people of those countries drafting laws that reflect their notion of justice.

When you use the term socialist, you're doing so merely to be pejorative, and you're absolutely wrong in implying that it's only socialists who want to reform drug laws.

335 posted on 09/15/2002 10:14:48 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Whilom
We would like some sanity restored to ALL levels of our government:

YES MOMMY (A well Regulated State)
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336 posted on 09/15/2002 11:01:02 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: tdadams
Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that only Socialists support the drug pushers in their efforts to destroy America. I meant the Socialists' dupes too.
337 posted on 09/17/2002 3:31:27 PM PDT by Whilom
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To: Whilom
Really... tell me you're joking. I hope you're not that childish.

If we're going to resort to ridiculous generalizations, then I'll say only Fascists and Nazis and their dupes support the war on drugs.

338 posted on 09/18/2002 4:15:31 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Look around. Wherever legalization has taken place or is being seriously proposed -- from Holland to Switzerland to Germany to Denmark to California -- the heavy hand of Mommy Government is firmly in control. That's what you and yours are supporting -- the further control of Socialism by weakening our society -- and that's what me and mine oppose.
339 posted on 09/18/2002 11:54:07 AM PDT by Whilom
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To: Whilom
Wake up and get a clue. Hasn't anyone ever taught you critical thinking? Correlation doesn't equal causation.

Have you ever been to any of those countries? Do you know anything about them other than what your buddies at the garage gripe about?

Those countries (which I have been to) aren't as socialist as you think, but to the degree they are, it's because the majority of people support that kind of government. It has nothing whatsoever to do with legalizing drugs. Only a hopeless idiot would make that allegation.

You're so blindly determined to stop people from smoking pot in their own home (which is worse, socialism or fascism?) that you construct this stupid, desperate theory that there's some kind of alliance between socialism and drug marijuana legalization. That's moronic.

340 posted on 09/19/2002 4:30:25 AM PDT by tdadams
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