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To: donh
No. Pragmatism is simply the best we can do. I'm not enamored of pragmatism or democracy, I just think they have the best track record, and have the most universally supportable philosophies

Democracy has a pitiful track record - it was an utter failure in ancient Greece; that is precisely why the U.S. is not a democracy. A constitutional republic has the best track record - that would be America.

Pragmatism fails also in that it is useless to predict the long run. No matter what moral system you put forth, I can and will rip it to shreds with logic (it's not that I am so brilliant - I'm not - It's that your moral systems are so easy to take apart). Since you can not find any logical or practical fault with moral absolutism, you are only left with attempting to defend your moral systems against logical attack.

6,209 posted on 01/30/2003 2:48:50 PM PST by exmarine
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To: exmarine
Democracy has a pitiful track record

Right, because in failing (and sometimes before failing), it leads to unbridled tyranny. Which is, I point out, not democracy. Having a constitutionally limited government is a good plan. But constitutionality is orthogonal to whether or not you have a democracy.

- it was an utter failure in ancient Greece; that is precisely why the U.S. is not a democracy. A constitutional republic has the best track record - that would be America.

Sigh. Does or does not our Constitution establish a democratic union, and lay down the rules for it's operation in rather specific detail, Mr. Logical?

6,237 posted on 01/31/2003 11:14:04 AM PST by donh
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To: exmarine
Pragmatism fails also in that it is useless to predict the long run. No matter what moral system you put forth, I can and will rip it to shreds with logic

Being repetitive and rude and unwilling to defend your proposed alternative is not quite the same thing as "ripping to shreds with logic". Tell me again how the Bible does not support slavery. I somehow missed that lecture.

Since you can not find any logical or practical fault with moral absolutism, you are only left with attempting to defend your moral systems against logical attack.

Oh, indeed. Apprently, I also missed the lecture where you defended the genocide of the anabaptists by the Pope and Martin Luther. Perhaps you could give me a posting reference?

6,238 posted on 01/31/2003 11:19:17 AM PST by donh
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