Why we should legalise hard drugs

Observer (UK) ^ | February 23, 2003 | Henry McDonald

[tpaine]

"planning was going forward on the massive, invasive police power 'bong bust'"

"Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." I hope you see a conflict between these two statements. Therein lies the problem.

Yep, much of our present 'problem' is made up by 'moralizing' bigots, seeking to govern their peers by prohibitons.

Do you think there was any need for a "massive, invasive police power 'bong bust'" in the days of John Adams? Do you think a moral and religious people would be organizing "bong parties"?

Alcohol abuse was widespread in those days, but prohibition efforts were wisely rejected as being a fools game. - They chose freedom.

You throw away morals, elevate shameful acts, denigrate religion, remove personal resonsibility --- then you look around and cry for your "Constitutional Right" to smoke dope. Sorry, you threw that away, too.

You lie that people want to "throw away morals, elevate shameful acts, denigrate religion, remove personal responsibility" --- then you look around and cry for your "Constitutional Right" to prohibit property & criminalize 'sin'.
Sorry, but you threw away all credibility with your inital lies.

[tpaine]

Here's a concept, -- Hillary appointed as AG, under the next demo adminisration.

[Protagoras]

Won't work, she will be President in the next demo administration. Hate to say it, but it's probably a good bet.

[clamper1797]

Is the subject of the WOD now verboten on FR

Apparently and officially ... yes it is ....

[tpaine]

Yep, sad to say, but President Clinton the 2nd is an odds on favorite.
The question then would be, - will Billy settle for being Secretary of State, or hold out for Chief Justice?

[eastsider]

Alcohol abuse was widespread in those days, but prohibition efforts were wisely rejected as being a fools game. - They chose freedom.

Prohibition was discussed and rejected when the Constitution was drafted? That should make for very interesting reading. Can you cite a source (or sources)? Tx.

[tpaine]

Sorry, I don't play the 'cite' game for roscoe type clones.

[eastsider]

Thanks for clearing that up. Revisionism rules!

[Roscoe]

He invents all of his "facts."

[eastsider]

[cinFLA]

"Medical marijuana" scammer Jeff Jones headed to jail. MrLeroy claims victory for medical marijuana.

[cinFLA]

"Medical Marijuana" scammer Bryan Epis soon to be headed to jail. MrLeroy claims victory.

[cinFLA]

Medical marijuana scam clubs shutting down in SF/Bay area. MrLeroy claims victory.

[MrLeRoy]

In a world of unbridled license, the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must.

Which is why I support governmental defense of individual rights---which encompass all acts that violate nobody else's rights.

[MrLeRoy]

MrLeroy claims victory.

Just the latest of your many lies.

[cinFLA]

Is the subject of the WOD now verboten on FR?

Paid scammers are lucky they are not deleted.

[cinFLA]

No, I attacked the piece based on its content, in post #5; having established the lies, I thought it would be interesting to see the liar.

Here is your post #5 in its entirety. Just so everyone can see how thoroughly you "established" the lies.

There's nothing like lying about your opponents.

[MrLeRoy]

how thoroughly you "established" the lies.

When apackof2 (or C.J. Carnacchio) makes a claim, the burden is on him to provide evidence for it---which was not done.

[robertpaulsen]

MrLeRoy, there is no virtue in your "liberty". To paraphrase from a previous posting:

"But the liberty (you) value so highly is solitary, unconnected, individual, selfish liberty. (Yours) is an abstract liberty divorced from order and virtue."

"Ordered liberty" has virtue and is the liberty of the group, be it neighborhood, community, or society in general. I believe that these groups have a right to live in a manner best suited to maximize their collective liberty.

[MrLeRoy]

"But the liberty (you) value so highly is solitary, unconnected, individual, selfish liberty. (Yours) is an abstract liberty divorced from order and virtue."

That's like saying that the sandwich I just bought is a "solitary, unconnected, individual, selfish sandwich---a sandwich divorced from order and virtue." They are orthogonal concepts; nothing about maximal liberty mandates solitude, selfishness, or lack of virtue.

"Ordered liberty" has virtue and is the liberty of the group

"the liberty of the group" = tyranny of the majority.