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RUMSFELD UNDER FIRE(Wesley Clark has accused Rumsfeld of putting troops at risk )
SKY NEWS ^ | 03/26/2003 | SKYNEWS

Posted on 03/26/2003 8:08:17 PM PST by KQQL

The former supreme allied commander of Nato has accused US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of putting allied troops at risk through poor planning.

Wesley Clark said Mr Rumsfeld's insistence on a smaller invasion force had left troops vulnerable and the 300-mile oil supply line between Kuwait and Basra open to guerilla attack.

Troops had been tied up in "messy fighting" around Nasiriyah and Baghdad, he said, leading to "logistics problems".

He added that hopes of a quick victory spurred by a popular revolt against Saddam had been dashed.

"The simple fact is that the liberation didn't quite occur. They didn't rise up."

Other war veterans have also spoken out against the early stages of war planning.

Miscalculations

Ralph Peters, a military scientist and former Army officer, wrote in the Washington Post that a coalition victory would be achieved "despite serious strategic miscalculations by the office of the Defence Secretary".

The "shock and awe" strategy of aerial bombardment had failed to shatter the will of Saddam's regime, he said, and if anything had encouraged greater resistance.

"It delayed essential attacks on Iraq's military capabilities," said Mr Peters. "This encouraged at least some Iraqis in uniform to believe they had a chance to fight and win.

"Now our forces advancing on Baghdad face the possibility of more serious combat than would otherwise have been the case."

Coalition commander General Tommy Franks's draft invasion plan proposed using four or five heavy divisions moving slowly towards Baghdad.

New warfare

Mr Rumsfeld is said to have rejected this, complaining that it was too similar to the strategy used in the 1991 Gulf War. Instead he insisted on a smaller, lighter force relying heavily on special forces and air power.

Retired US Army General Barry McCaffrey, commander of the 24th Infantry Division 12 years ago, said Mr Rumsfeld had ignored warnings that he was underestimating the number of troops needed.

"I think he thought these were generals with feet planted in World War Two who didn't understand the new way of warfare," he said.

"If the Iraqis actually fight it's going to be brutal, dangerous work and we could take a couple to 3,000 casualties."

Mr Rumsfeld insisted his strategy was working.

"It's a good plan everybody agrees to, and it is a plan that in four and a half or five days has moved ground forces to within a short distance of Baghdad."


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To: info_scout
The more you write, the dummer you appear! LOL
141 posted on 03/26/2003 9:26:16 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: info_scout
" DEBACLE " ? D-Day was a debacle , The Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War was a D-E-B-A-C-L-E of massive proportions. After one week, ONE WEEK , into GW 2, there has yet to be any sort od debacle at all.
142 posted on 03/26/2003 9:26:28 PM PST by nopardons
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To: wirestripper
>>>The more you write, the dummer you appear! LOL

Why resort to name calling? I'll respect your opinion. Is it too much to respect opinions of others? BTW, I think the word you intended is 'dumber'.
143 posted on 03/26/2003 9:28:44 PM PST by info_scout
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To: jimkress
He also cause at least two international incedents.

One where he allowed the Russians to take that airport, and another when he was photographed consorting with a terrorist.(I believe he had his arm around him)

It was shortly after that when he was retired!

144 posted on 03/26/2003 9:29:36 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Porterville
It's just the Wild West and we are cleaning up the bandits.

Move 'em on, head 'em up Head 'em up, move 'em on Move 'em on, head 'em up Rawhide Count 'em out, ride 'em in, Ride 'em in, count 'em out, Count 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide! rollin rollin rolling keep that convoy going.

145 posted on 03/26/2003 9:29:40 PM PST by WRhine
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To: wirestripper
Nail, head, you hit it ! LOL
146 posted on 03/26/2003 9:31:19 PM PST by nopardons
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To: info_scout
It isn't " name callingg ", when it is a fact. ; ^ )

Getting your info from the N.Y. Slimes and CNN, only, are you ?

147 posted on 03/26/2003 9:32:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
How are you doing tonight? Isn't Clark a communist? I think so, anyways Ann Coulter slammed him but Good in her new story tonight.
148 posted on 03/26/2003 9:33:34 PM PST by TLBSHOW (looks like the old days around this here thread and I see you have it under control... (:>))
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To: info_scout
No, I said dummer!

I talk with a accent.

Your opinions are not based on fact and are dummer than a box of rocks.

You must be a democrat. Only democrats whine about criticism when there ideas are challenged. and then attempt to correct grammer if that fails.

149 posted on 03/26/2003 9:34:06 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: info_scout
Did the Iraqis cut our line? Are our troops cut off? id we lose the war? When do you get your 4th star?
150 posted on 03/26/2003 9:34:31 PM PST by bybybill (first the public employees, next the fish and, finally, the children)
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To: nopardons
>>>" DEBACLE " ? D-Day was a debacle , The Charge of the Light Brigade, during the Crimean War was a D-E-B-A-C-L-E of massive proportions. After one week, ONE WEEK , into GW 2, there has yet to be any sort od debacle at all.

D-Day was a success. Omaha Beach WAS a debacle that killed scores of brave American soldiers. This may yet be a success if massive amounts of reenforcements are deployed to shore-up the supply line and augment the strike force. The original plan was a DEBACLE.
151 posted on 03/26/2003 9:34:35 PM PST by info_scout
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To: info_scout
Please, let's not call comments dumb.

The strategy was to take out the leadership during the first 48 hours (well documented and pretty obvious from events). Further, the plan was to rush up to Baghdad with the Iraqi army surrending 'en masse' and Shiite uprising occuring in the South. Iraqi regular and even Republican Guard were poised to surrender (we were chatting by cellphone afterall). The regime would collapse, and our armor would roll in to Baghdad virtually unopposed. Pentagon mouthpieces were all over the tube the last several weeks declaring the south would rise-up in rebellion and welcome the U.S. as liberators. Obviously, this isn't the way things have happened. The word for it is 'DEBACLE'.

Can't say "dumb"? OK. Can I call this "absurd"? (I'll find a more angular word for it if you'll allow me...)

Nobody-- nobody predicted this. It's only being used now as a criticism. Pile on, bud, but you'll have to climb over the backs of certain pensioned pressitutes. One bit of advice: don't inhale.

Btw, after all the criticism of the all-air campaign, how come we've got a division knocking on Baghdad's door? To kick it in after the room's been bashed up by the fly boys, perhaps?

152 posted on 03/26/2003 9:34:36 PM PST by nicollo
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To: KQQL
Without a doubt. If Clinton's out encouraging others to support the president he's working behind the scene to cause confusion.
153 posted on 03/26/2003 9:35:26 PM PST by swheats
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To: KQQL
Is there anyone who is actually proud of Kosovo? Our boys did their job, but what job, exactly, was it?

Of all the people involved one would expect Clintoon to brag about it without cease. I can't think of a word he's said. Perhaps he has, but if he really meant it, we'd all know. I don't know it.
154 posted on 03/26/2003 9:36:06 PM PST by nicollo
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To: TLBSHOW
Fine, and you ? :-)

Clark , if NOT a card carrying one, is at the very least a pinko " fellow travelor ".

Read Ann's fantastic column already. Us Conn. girls have to stick together. LOL

155 posted on 03/26/2003 9:36:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: WRhine
>>> A screw up would entail some catastrophe. Right? NO Iraqi military unit has been able to seriously disrupt the supply line.

They have forced significant changes in force deployment and timelines. It is a major srew-up.
156 posted on 03/26/2003 9:37:41 PM PST by info_scout
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To: wirestripper; nopardons; WOSG; F-117A
October 17

Gen. Clark

The article “Still no decision on Kosovo medal” (Oct. 8) said “Pentagon brass” ensured a waiver was granted so that Gen. Wesley Clark received the Kosovo Campaign Medal, the first one minted, at his retirement ceremony in 2000. The waiver was necessary because Gen. Clark’s service didn’t meet the criteria for the award, even though he led the international alliance in its “78-day blitz” against Yugoslavia. An earlier article, “Army can’t explain how Clark got medal” (June 16, 2001) said, “The Army is at a loss to explain who granted a waiver awarding retired Gen. Wesley Clark the Kosovo Campaign Medal,” and that, “After four months of repeated queries, Army officials say they’re still not sure who approved the medal.”

To date, we still don’t know who granted Gen. Clark the waiver. I guess that’s one of the unsolvable mysteries of that era, like law firm billing records. In the meantime, as the story said, thousands of others who supported the campaign at bases in England, Spain, Germany, Turkey and even the United States are still waiting to learn if waivers for their eligibility will be approved.

As a Vietnam combat veteran who had “awards and decorations” as an additional duty, I can understand the intricacies of determining who deserves the medal. Given the scope of the campaign, virtually everyone in the military, active and Reserve, contributed in some way. If the criterion is based on a combat zone defined as “in and around the Balkans,” Gen. Clark certainly does not deserve the medal, even given that vague definition of the combat zone. Gen. Clark led the campaign from Mons, Belgium. If the waiver was based on Gen. Clark’s contribution to the campaign being more important than that of the ground support troops at places such as Rhein-Main Air Base, Germany, or Whiteman Air Base, Mo., then maybe we should look at just what his contribution was.

In his book “Waging Modern War,” Gen. Clark wrote about his fury to learn that Russian peacekeepers had entered the airport at Pristina, Kosovo, before British or American forces. In the article “The guy who almost started World War III,” (Aug. 3, 1999), The Guardian (U.K.) wrote, “No sooner are we told by Britain’s top generals that the Russians played a crucial role in ending the west’s war against Yugoslavia than we learn that if NATO’s supreme commander, the American General Wesley Clark, had had his way, British paratroopers would have stormed Pristina airport, threatening to unleash the most frightening crisis with Moscow since the end of the Cold War. ‘I’m not going to start the third world war for you’, General Sir Mike Jackson, commander of the international KFOR peacekeeping force, is reported to have told Gen. Clark when he refused to accept an order to send assault troops to prevent Russian troops from taking over the airfield of Kosovo’s provincial capital.”

Gen. Clark’s buddy in Kosovo was Hashim Thaci, the leader of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which, according to the Belfast News Letter (Northern Ireland) of July 30, is engaged in sex slavery, prostitution, murder, kidnapping and drugs. The Daily Telegraph reported on Feb. 19 that “European drug squad officers say Albanian and Kosovo Albanian dealers are ruthlessly trying to seize control of the European heroin market, worth up to $27 billion a year, and have taken over the trade in at least six European countries.”

Another Clark buddy was Agim Ceku, who commanded Croatia’s army during “Operation Storm,” when ethnic Serbs were driven out of their ancestral homes in the Krajina region of Croatia in 1995 in what columnist Charles Krauthammer described in Newsweek on April 5, 1999, as “the largest ethnic cleansing of the entire Balkans wars.” This is the same Gen. Ceku who commanded the KLA.

The shortsightedness of Gen. Clark’s consorting with KLA thugs, whom he is largely responsible for putting into power in Kosovo, is borne out by the Washington Times article “Kosovo Albanian attitudes change; Some see U.N., NATO as foes.” (Sept. 21). It said, “Where once NATO troops were greeted with cheers, those cheers have now changed to anger and occasionally violent protests since the arrest of several leaders of the former Kosovo Liberation Army.”

As for his ability as a military leader, Gen. Clark failed on two counts — the air campaign and his plan for a ground campaign. While the questionable effectiveness of the air campaign was not solely his responsibility, his acquiescence to the strategy and his cover-up of the results detailed in the Newsweek story “Kosovo Cover Up” (May 15, 2000) are testimony to his dedication to power and career. As for a ground war, which Gen. Clark admits that he favored, he insists that he could have conducted a successful ground war in Kosovo by sending Apache helicopters and ground troops through the mountain passes between Albania and Kosovo, a plan which was described to me by an Apache pilot as a “hare-brained” idea. Gen. Clark planned to support the Apaches with “50,000 Albanian troops,” a statement he personally made to me at a Washington, D.C., book signing. There’s no doubt that a ground war with the might of 19 NATO nations eventually would have been successful. But at what cost and why? To feed Gen. Clark’s ego and ambition!

If Gen. Clark had had his way, we might have gone to war with Russia, or at least resurrected vestiges of the Cold War. And we certainly would have had hundreds if not thousands of casualties in an ill-conceived ground war.

Col. David Hackworth, in his 1999 commentary “Defending America,” wrote of Clark: “Known by those who’ve served with him as the ‘Ultimate Perfumed Prince,’ he’s far more comfortable in a drawing room discussing political theories than hunkering down in the trenches where bullets fly and soldiers die.”

In my opinion, Gen. Clark is the kind of general we saw too often during the Vietnam War and hoped never to see again in a position of responsibility for the lives of our GIs and the security of our nation. That it happened once again we can thank that other Rhodes scholar from Arkansas.

Col. George Jatras (Ret.)
Sterling, Va.

157 posted on 03/26/2003 9:38:10 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: KQQL
Sorry to be graphic, but Wesley Clark isn't fit to clean Rummy's toilet!!

We're lucky to have Rumsfeld--you can call him arrogant. I don't think so. I think he is just very very competent, and therefore self-confident. That's not the same as arrogant. I love the way he handles the treacherous boobs & idiots in the Pentagon cess pool, er press pool?

159 posted on 03/26/2003 9:38:58 PM PST by Babu
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To: nicollo
No one who mattered ever said this was going to be quick. BTW, the 173rd today executed the largest air drop in years. Will establish northern front. Other air strips will constitute a closer staging area. Soon heavy equipment and more troops will be delivered to advanced staging areas. They will be fresh and ready. Longer supply lines will not be an issue.
160 posted on 03/26/2003 9:39:48 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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