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>>> Getting your info from the N.Y. Slimes and CNN, only, are you ?

No, actually I'll listen to anyone's point of view. It's up to each of us to weigh the facts and form an opinion. According to one network, 'we report, you decide'. Nice concept, but objective and qualitative sources are rather scarce. Regards.

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You haven't a glimmer of a hope, to be able to " decide ", dear. You've repeatedly proven that. Facts ? You don't give a bloody damn about facts. You're conjecturing, based on nothing; or so it appears. Yet, you state, uncatagorically, that THIS IS A DEBACLE . Oh really ? Where's the proof that any " debacle " has occurred ?

Here are the facts, as we know them :

1. This war was going to start off with the " SHOCK & AWE " bombing of Baghdad.

2. When clandestine spying, claimed that Saddam & 6 of his thugs were meeting in such & such a place, THE PRESIDENT ( Geroge W. Bush, the CIC, remember him ? ) told those on charge to hold off on the S&A, and " get Saddam " !

3. No one , NO ONE , knows what the outcome of this is ...yet.

4. Shock & Awe has started. No one, NO ONE ever said how short or how long S&A would last.

5. A MASSIVE sand/wind storm hit.

6. Only 24 of OUR military has been killed in battle. One is too many; however, dear, war is all about killing and even the English, during Aigencourt, lost men. What made THAT battle so miraculous, was HOW FEW English died !

7. In THE fastest recorded time, during a war, the USA has pushed through weather problems, fragging, terrorist tactics, and are within a hair's breathe of Baghdad.

All of the above and still YOU call this a " debacle " ; all the whilst, you inform us that you garner info from EVERY source, collate it, and come to the conclusion that this has all gone awry and is a " DEBACLE " !

You aren't to be taken seriously, dear. You are incapable of comprehension AND you take Clark's words are gospel. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh !