Genetic Changes In Mice 'Question Evolution Speed'

Ananova ^ | 5-21-2003

[PatrickHenry]

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[Servant of the Nine]

"Punctuated Equilibrium" evolutionary theory has predicted extremely rapid change followed by periods of little change for at least the last 30 years.

So9

[Dataman]

This messes with the sacred theory of evolution which has an insatiable appetite for time. Of course the mice evolved into something other than mice, right?

[the lone wolf]

I doubt it. If the "new" strain of mice can breed with the "old" strain, then both strains are mice. Basic biology.

[Junior]

This messes with the sacred theory of evolution which has an insatiable appetite for time.

You really have no idea of that which you speak. Evolution works across generations; if you breed rapidly you evolve rapidly (if conditions are favorable). Mice breed like rabbits, so to speak...

[STD]

Damn white people ruining the North American continent.

[bondserv]

Was a mouse found with hoofs? Did I miss something?

[motor_racer]

The common notions of the mechanisms of evolution are astonishingly simplistic. The DNA molecule is a complex, non-linear system, capable of chaotic response.

In a nutshell this means that a DNA molecule can manifest itself in many ways. The particular result can depend on (for example) initial conditions or the level of some external input.

Conceivably, organisms can undergo major transformations in a single generation.

We should not be shocked when changes happen suddenly.

[inquest]

"Settlers may have brought in mice with the favourable gene that were able to out-compete mice with the native variant," said Dr Pergams.

So in effect, this finding proves absolutely nothing except that native mice may have experienced an infusion of foreign genetic material. Am I missing a deeper message here or something?

[Junior]

Nor are we.

[longtermmemmory]

this seems more a publish or perish article.

[js1138]

I don't see anything in the article dealing with evolution. It looks to me like a foreign variety replaced the previous native variety.

[longtermmemmory]

I believe its a suddent change mutates and if it is successful it out lives the rest of the non-mutated.

This is also a reason for fearing the introduction of genetically manipulated fish into the ocean. The computer models show the altered fish overwhelme the regualar fish and then they themselves die out.

[DManA]

Should we then be surprised that other species stay unchanged for 100's of millions of years?

[balrog666]

This is also a reason for fearing the introduction of genetically manipulated fish into the ocean. The computer models show the altered fish overwhelme the regualar fish and then they themselves die out.

Wow! I bet that model is almost as good as the global-warming-baloney simulations!

[E. Pluribus Unum]

"Settlers may have brought in mice with the favourable gene that were able to out-compete mice with the native variant," said Dr Pergams.

That's not evolution. That's cross-breeding.

[LiteKeeper]

Was a mouse found with hoofs? Did I miss something?

Exactly the point! The mouse is still recognized to be a "mouse." It isn't a fish; it isn't a bird. It isn't a monkey - it is still a mouse! What hog-wash! Is there some reason why evolutionists have done away with all of the time-honored principles of logic?

[Dimensio]

Say, ever going to present a stating of the theory of evolution that addresses life origins, or are you just going to claim that you did despite the fact that I exposed your "references" as anything but?

[LiteKeeper]

Only one of the present-day mice had DNA that matched that of mice collected before 1950.

If this is true, how did they know it was a mouse? It didn't have wings, did it? It didn't come with a tattoo saying "Mouse" did it? Amazing stretch of logic!