Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[f.Christian]

evo sop sponge suck up judas placemaker !

[PatrickHenry]

Gone for the rest of the evening. Placemarker.

[js1138]

Try reading.

[ALS]

God of dysentery?

3,890 posted on 07/17/2003 2:16 PM CDT by js1138


I did. Those are your words. Not quotes from someone else, and even if they were, you chose them.

you are openly disgusting

live with it

[js1138]

It is you guys who claim that the bacterial flagellum was deliberately designed by an omniscient creator. What do you suppose those bacteria do? I mean specifically the ones with flagella.

[CobaltBlue]

Here is a 1996 article by Larry Tribe I just turned up. I did not realize that the Defense of Marriage Act was a hot button issue back then as well.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/scotts/ftp/wpaf2mc/NYTtribe.html

One certainly cannot accuse Tribe of being a conservative, so it's fair to say that his arguments track the liberal party line. He agrees with me about Full Faith and Credit, which you are welcome to find unconvincing.

It won't come as any surprise to the Greek Chorus on the thread, but my caseload is majority divorces (then bankruptcies). Further, I have zero problem with homosexuality between consenting adults. Surprise, surprise.

As a result of both having gay friends and handling divorces, I doubt very much that the vast majority of gay men would actually commit to the strictures of heterosexual marriage. I don't know any heterosexual man who would willingly pay spousal support. I find it ludicrous to contemplate that a gay man would do so.

Men are men. They don't want to give up their money, or their toys, or their autonomy.

If gay men knew that they'd have to give half of everything they own to their partners in the event of divorce NO FAULT, would they do so? My guess is no.

The only real agenda which is driving gay "marriage" is HIV/AIDS and health care coverage for same.

Would the world come to an end if a nice, domesticated gay man wanted to marry another nice, domesticated gay man so his partner could have the benefits of marriage? I think not.

My beloved grandmother willingly rented her rental home to a nice gay couple in Biloxi, Mississippi, almost 40 years ago. One worked for the US Air Force at Keesler, the other was (stereotype alert) a hairdresser, who was a dear at advising me on how to do my nails and hair.

She didn't care whether they were black, white, pink, green, purple or polka-dotted, only whether they were decent human beings.

I strive to live my life according to her principles.

[ALS]

God of dysentery?

3,890 posted on 07/17/2003 2:16 PM CDT by js1138


keep spinning

[balrog666]

God of dysentery?

And god of rats. And god of cockroaches. And god of hamsters. And god of snakes. And god of kangaroos. And god of polio. And god of AIDS. And god of chimpanzees. And god of cholera. And god of ebola. And god of (some) humans.

Which part don't you understand?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your post!

Indeed, I read all seven translations of John 1:3 and 10, Hebrews 1:2 and Colossians 1:16 … I didn’t just look at one.

And by comparing all seven, side-by-side, I see no substantive difference. You obviously do.

For the other Freepers in this discussion and any Lurkers still following it, here is what purports to be the official Catholic view of the matter:

U.S. Catholic Bishops - Catechism of the Catholic Church

II. Creation—Work of the Holy Trinity

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth": three things are affirmed in these first words of Scripture: the eternal God gave a beginning to all that exists outside of himself; he alone is Creator (the verb "create"—Hebrew bara—always has God for its subject). The totality of what exists (expressed by the formula "the heavens and the earth") depends on the One who gives it being.

"In the beginning was the Word . . . and the Word was God . . . all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made." The New Testament reveals that God created everything by the eternal Word, his beloved Son. In him "all things were created, in heaven and on earth . . . all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." The Church's faith likewise confesses the creative action of the Holy Spirit, the "giver of life," "the Creator Spirit" ("Veni, Creator Spiritus"), the "source of every good."

The Old Testament suggests and the New Covenant reveals the creative action of the Son and the Spirit, inseparably one with that of the Father. This creative cooperation is clearly affirmed in the Church's rule of faith: "There exists but one God . . . he is the Father, God, the Creator, the author, the giver of order. He made all things by himself, that is, by his Word and by his Wisdom," "by the Son and the Spirit" who, so to speak, are "his hands." Creation is the common work of the Holy Trinity.

[ALS]

Won't work. he's cooked and he knows it. Otherwise he wouldn't be spinning and whining for you to help UNSPIN his filth.

btw - interesting how you chose all lower case "g"'s and he didn't.


get it yet sparky?

[CobaltBlue]

>>Creation is the common work of the Holy Trinity. <<

So, in your mind, would it be proper to say that the Holy Ghost created the Universe?

[Doctor Stochastic]

I predict that not one of the Creationists on FR will criticize g3k for this particular lie. Not one criticized his falacious bibliography. By their continued silence they give their approval.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your reply and your question!

So, in your mind, would it be proper to say that the Holy Ghost created the Universe?

I'm not getting a reaction in the Spirit to this sentence of the above Catechism text:

The Church's faith likewise confesses the creative action of the Holy Spirit, the "giver of life," "the Creator Spirit" ("Veni, Creator Spiritus"), the "source of every good."

Generally, when I read a Spiritual Truth I feel it strongly. But I will check the Bible for confirmation of the non-confirmation.

[Doctor Stochastic]

It looked more like a sauteeing pan in the past.

[ALS]

God of dysentery?

3,890 posted on 07/17/2003 2:16 PM CDT by js1138


hypocrite

[CobaltBlue]

So, some form of spirit moves you in the here-and-now and that's as good as orthodox theology?

Interesting.

[Doctor Stochastic]

I believe we're created with certain knowledge ...

Chomsky makes that argument but not everyone accepts it. What knowledge do you claim that people are created with? You must have some idea just to make the claim. (Note that reflexes do not count.) How many cells does an embryo need to actually have such knowledge?

[bondserv]

Thank you for your research,

I was raised Catholic and was taught this very thing. However, I have not been a Catholic for over 12 years.

I was a little worried for our Catholic brothers and sisters for a minute. Glad you could clear that up.

[jennyp]

As far as I can tell,Just about every Kenneth in the world claims to have just the right frequency, but no one has the same one. Just as everyone has a piece of the one true hologram, but they don't seem to be cut from the same master.

LOL! Yes, if they could all just converge on a single "frequency" they can all agree with, then that would be evidence there was something valid there.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your reply!

So, some form of spirit moves you in the here-and-now and that's as good as orthodox theology?

Not at all. It is infinitely better than orthodox theology!!!

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. – Romans 8:1-9

Back to the subject at hand. The non-confirmation in my Spirit was confirmed in my research. Here’s what I found:

The breath of God, made Adamic man a living soul - Genesis 2:7

The host of the heavens were made by the breath of God – Psalms 33:6

But the breath of God is not the same thing as the Spirit of God. For instance,

The Spirit of God came upon Saul in 1 Samuel 11:6 and left him in I Samuel 16:14.

Jesus said that He had to go to the Father, before the Spirit could come (Pentecost) John 16:7

The witnesses in Tribulation will be raised from the dead when the Spirit of Life enters them Revelation 11:11

But the only claim that “the Spirit made me” came from Job’s friend Elihu in Job 33:4.

Therefore, I take the Catholic reading on this as a tradition of the church and not based on the Word.