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Gross ignorance that Violence begets violence--Re: Free Republic's "Paul Hill Execution" Threads
Free Republic ^ | 9/4/03 | Dr. Brian Kopp, Vice President, Catholic Family Assoc. of America

Posted on 09/04/2003 8:51:55 AM PDT by Polycarp

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To: Polycarp
You may have reservations about the death penalty, but the theif of the cross next to Christ STILL was executed for his crimes even though Christ told him he would be in paradise....there is nothing wrong with the death penalty....find anywhere in the Bible that Christ said so, or the prophets said so.
101 posted on 09/04/2003 9:37:45 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
I'm curious as to what you think people who oppose abortion can do to show they are not "spineless". On the other hand, maybe I don't want to know.

Have any friends that are "pro-choice?"

102 posted on 09/04/2003 9:39:14 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: wideawake
Paul Hill knew that he was breaking the law and Paul Hill accepted the consequences of his actions without making excuses for himself or lodging phony appeals. Paul Hill committed a crime and he paid for it with his life.

Of course he made excuses. His press conference was full of excuses. And the sick puppy that he was even hopes his son follows in his footsteps.

"If my son is called to this sort of action, I would encourage him to obey God's call," he said.

And he thought he'd get life without parole, not the death penalty:

He ackowledged that it did not initially occur to him that the government would seek the death penalty. He said he was "naive" in thinking he would spend the rest of his life in prison.

http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/090303/Local/ST001.shtml

103 posted on 09/04/2003 9:39:41 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Polycarp
OK, come on down to Johnstown PA and I'll oblige you.

You first committed the slander and made your accusations in a public forum, and that's the only place that I'll accept their amplification and/or clarification from you. I have no desire to visit you personally (I haven't had my shots).

Until then, you have already said it, and I agree.

Evasion noted. Stop being a coward and referring to people without pinging them to the post in which you referred to them.

105 posted on 09/04/2003 9:40:45 AM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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To: Polycarp
As far as calling someone a mental midget because they do not agree with you, you are completely out of line.

But I digress.

The Bible may not specifically address the issue of abortion, but its position on murder (against) and the death penalty (for) are abundantly clear.

That said, let me state uncategorically that in the way things are regarding abortion, I cannot in good conscience condemn the killing of abortion doctors. People who willingly and literally rip apart the most innocent for financial gain are no different from the likes of Kenneth McDuff, Jeffrey Dahmer or Richard Speck. These people mean less than nothing to me.

Now, before you start saying I am crazy, sick, or anything else derogatory, why don't you get off your holier than thou high horse and go to some of these abortion websites and get a good, long look at reality. Are you gonna give me some sermon how death would not apply to these people who do this for a living?!? Are you gonna say what is happening to the babies is not in and of itself crazy and sick?

If that is what you are thinking, pal, I would take a good, long look in the mirror before I start throwing stones.

Finally, if you have an alternative to retroactive death penalty laws or "vigilante justice" for abortionists that is perfectly sound and reasonable, let's hear it.

106 posted on 09/04/2003 9:40:52 AM PDT by Houmatt (Hey NY Freepers! Houmatt is here! Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair!)
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
As long as you keep comparing Hill's actions to those of an abortionists, you will be righfully labled a Hill supporter and a kook.

My first appearance on this thread, and I'm not familiar with the details of the case. But, why is one a "kook" to compare the actions of Hill and those of abortionists? Both consciously chose to kill people, without remorse. What is the difference?

107 posted on 09/04/2003 9:41:12 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: Polycarp
However, I am warning you schmucks that though I condemn violence and civil rebellion that you must expect to see continued violence and civil rebellion because it is axiomatic that abortion violence begets further violence.

You're looking forward to it.

And what's with the use of the word "schmuck?" My dictionary says "schmuck" means "penis." So what are you trying to call me?

108 posted on 09/04/2003 9:42:05 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Polycarp
I won't be surprised, because I understand the axiom that abortion violence will always beget further violence.

Your biggest problem is to convince pro abortion folks that abortion is indeed violence. They do not see it as violence, any more than they see a root canal at the dentist as violence.

True, there are some very gruesome pictures of aborted babies that show the violence in great detail. But pro abortionists ignore them, and put the images out of their minds. Not unlike the german people US GIs brought into the concentration camps in 1945 who had to be physically forced to look at what was before them.

It is unfortunate that these people view the issue that way. And I don't know how you will bend them to view it as you do.

109 posted on 09/04/2003 9:42:08 AM PDT by narby
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To: Live free or die
I'm not trying to show anyone anything. You can shut up too.
110 posted on 09/04/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
If you think Hill was a hero - and you certainly seem to - what is stopping you from emulating him?

The fear that Hill's actions may in the long run solidify the legal protection of people who murder small children for fun and profit and make it more difficult to end the American Holocaust.

This same fear is why I cannot regard Paul Hill as a hero, but as a tragic figure.

111 posted on 09/04/2003 9:44:01 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Polycarp
Just so you know...

Abortion will never be made illegal again. So I guess your planned revenge on the doctors that perform them will have to remain a dream and/or a crime.
112 posted on 09/04/2003 9:44:29 AM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: HurkinMcGurkin
"The more you post, the more you show your cards. As long as you keep comparing Hill's actions to those of an abortionists, you will be righfully labled a Hill supporter and a kook."

It seems that that is the fervent hope of you and others who label "kooks" those who don't whole-heartedly condemn the actions of Hill. The shrillness of your hypocritical arguments supporting mass murder of children is telling.

We live in a violent world, and sometimes the only way to get the point across is with violence. Just ask the government. Anyone who says violence never solved anything is a liar.

113 posted on 09/04/2003 9:44:35 AM PDT by semaj ("....by their fruit you will know them.")
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To: Pukin Dog
all yall shut the F up
nobodys ever going to win this debate
114 posted on 09/04/2003 9:45:08 AM PDT by conservativefromGa (www.awbansunset.com)
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
Abortion will never be made illegal again.

Do you consider that a good thing or a bad thing?

115 posted on 09/04/2003 9:45:24 AM PDT by Wordsmith
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To: Flurry
Shootings and Clinic bombings only nudge the center to the left. We need the center to win any change.

You are absolutely correct. The reason it worked for environmentalists is their side has guts.

116 posted on 09/04/2003 9:45:32 AM PDT by Woahhs
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To: Woahhs; Chancellor Palpatine
I'm curious as to what you think people who oppose abortion can do to show they are not "spineless". On the other hand, maybe I don't want to know.

Have any friends that are "pro-choice?"

That I'm gradually trying to win over, yes.

You're not one of those Pharisees who'd get in Jesus' face because he was hanging out with sinners and tax collectors, are you?

117 posted on 09/04/2003 9:46:11 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: wideawake
Thanks for the clarification.
118 posted on 09/04/2003 9:46:17 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: semaj
We live in a violent world, and sometimes the only way to get the point across is with violence. Just ask the government. Anyone who says violence never solved anything is a liar.

So your solution to stopping abortion is to kill abortion doctors?

119 posted on 09/04/2003 9:46:41 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: semaj; HurkinMcGurkin
(semaj) The shrillness of your hypocritical arguments supporting mass murder of children is telling.

That statement is slanderous and outrageous.

120 posted on 09/04/2003 9:47:02 AM PDT by strela (It is not true that Larry Flynt's biggest financial donor is Dicker and Dicker of Beverly Hills.)
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