Gross ignorance that Violence begets violence--Re: Free Republic's "Paul Hill Execution" Threads

Free Republic ^ | 9/4/03 | Dr. Brian Kopp, Vice President, Catholic Family Assoc. of America

[Polycarp]

My anger over the pathological nature of "legal" baby killing and the individuals on these threads who see Hill's crime as somehow "worse" than that of the baby killers has led me to say things on these threads that I don't really believe, just to point out the rank hypocrisy and stupidity of certain posters on these threads.

I've made my points. I'll stop using bitter sarcasm and cynicism now and state clearly:

1)Hill murdered an abortionist, and deserved the punishment meeted out to him by the state. The state has the right, recognized in 2000 years of Christian moral theology, to impose capital punishment. But In all honesty, I have reservations about the death penalty.

2) Abortion may be "legal" but it is still a crime against humanity. Though it would be unjust to try them, by ex-post-facto prosecution once abortion is again made illegal, abortionists still must pay some measure of justice for their crimes. Revoking their licences and general social ostracizing would be minimum and insufficient justice.

3) Vigiliante "justice" and ex-post-facto law cannot be tolerated in a civil society. However, neither can judicial tyrrany and legislation by judicial fiat. Civil rebellion against judicial tyranny and legislation by judicial fiat is not now unwarranted. However, it may in the future be necessary. In the context of innevitable future civil rebellion against judicial tyranny and legislation by judicial fiat it is very likely that certain individuals might engage in vigilantism and ex-post-facto justice. Don't say I didn't tell you so.

4)In the current situation of pathological legalized violence in the form of "legal" baby murdering, everyone must understand that violence will always beget more violence, outside of the abortion clinics. Expect more cases like Hill. It is axiomatic that the violence of "legal" abortion will beget further violence, usually among the intellectually/emotionally/psychologically unstable.

5) Because it is axiomatic that violence, even the violence of "legal" abortion, will always beget further violence, it is evidence of gross ignorance of human nature and Natural Law that certain folks express surprise and dismay at the actions of someone like Hill.

6) Furthermore, to express more outrage at Hill's crime than the pathological violence ("legal" abortion) that precipitated Hill's crime is a symptom of a culture that has completely lost its moral compass and is on the straight and narrow path to self destruction.

[HurkinMcGurkin]

Or perhaps the spinelessness of those that "oppose" abortion.

I'm curious as to what you think people who oppose abortion can do to show they are not "spineless". On the other hand, maybe I don't want to know.

[Poohbah]

If you think Hill was a hero - and you certainly seem to - what is stopping you from emulating him?

One word.

Cowardice.

[A Broken Glass Republican]

Sigh...

It's things like this (Trying to make the just executed murderer the moral equilvilent of those who perform legal abortions) that makes us look like the FREAKS who do the same thing with the terrorist Palestinians and the Israelies.

[John Beresford Tipton]

"What is stopping you from emulating him?"

Hopefully a security guard ready to blow the ass*le's ass off.

[Catspaw]

You're "predicting" violence. You're encouraging "civil rebellion," all in the context of Paul Hill's execution for murdering two people. Of course, Planned Parenthood is concerned about violence towards abortion clinics, but it seems to be something you're encouraging, so I doubt if you and PP are on the same page.

And you have a foul mouth.

[GreatOne]

Well stated. I feel badly for saying this, but I in some ways do not have a problem with what Paul Hill did. He murdered someone, and that is wrong, legally and morally. But he killed someone who was killing others. Killing people legally, but killing them just the same. In retrospect, how do we view John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry - a dillusional madman or someone trying to do away with the evil of (legal) slavery. As wrong as it is to kill someone, I just cannot bring myself to condemn Mr. Hill.

[Polycarp]

OK, come on down to Johnstown PA and I'll oblige you. Until then, you have already said it, and I agree.

[Woahhs]

Such a stunning riposte...I'm overawed!

[Polycarp]

Of course, you wish I had said this, because then you could disregard the cold hard facts I am telling you, but on the contrary, I have not.

There is a difference between predicting violence based on the axiom that violence begets violence, and advocating or condoning violence.

I condemn violence and have only said that Hill deserved his sentence.

However, I am warning you schmucks that though I condemn violence and civil rebellion that you must expect to see continued violence and civil rebellion because it is axiomatic that abortion violence begets further violence.

As long as legalized abortion is tolerated, there will be more violence.

[AlaskaErik]

Paul Hill is a convicted murderer who received a just and fair punishment for his crime, period. Whether abortion is right or wrong or a sin is irrelevant. He did not have the right legally, ethically, spiritually, biblically or any other way to take a shotgun and commit premeditated murder. If anyone believes he did, then they cannot condemn the 9/11 hijackers or any other wackos from doing what they believe is right. And if you say that your God is right, well, the muslims believe the same way. Bottom line: If you are a Christian or a Catholic and you believe abortion is murder, then let your God mete out the appropriate punishment come judgment day. Don't take the law into your own hands.

[wideawake]

The Bible is a lot of help, mentioning a fine to be paid to the father.

You misrepresent the text.

The passage in question refers to an accidental abortion caused in a scuffle.

The Bible does not even discuss the abomination of intentionally causing an abortion on purpose.

That would fall under the Biblical injunction against killing others in general.

[Poohbah]

"What is stopping you from emulating him?"

Hopefully a security guard ready to blow the ass*le's ass off.

I just spewed Mountain Dew all over the keyboard.

[MEG33]

It would have been a pity if the guard shot poor Paul. Hill would have missed the fan letters,interviews,cameras and applause by those who approved of his actions.I think the needle is gentler than a bullet so it seems to have worked as planned.

Let someone else worry about Hill's children...Paul was busy working toward the glory of martyrdom. Who needs the law.We can decide individually who to execute and then carry out the sentence.

[Woahhs]

Anyone who voluntarily associates themselves wit hthe likes of Hill is definitely a kook.

Is that the limit of your repertoire?

[HurkinMcGurkin]

And shooting someone until they are out of their misery is merciful in comparison to "Dr." Britton's practice of leaving still-twitching, saline-scorched children in trash bags to die a painful death over a period of hours.

The fact is, your belief that the life of John Britton was intrinsically more precious than the lives of the thousands of children he murdered for cash on the barrel is erroneous and clouds your thinking.

You guys just can't resist, can you? The more you post, the more you show your cards. As long as you keep comparing Hill's actions to those of an abortionists, you will be righfully labled a Hill supporter and a kook.

[habs4ever]

Every true believer acts like he's entitled to practice situational ethics.Next up, he'll equate himself to the Minutemen and fighting the redcoats, or burning the village to save it.

One other Freeper spoke this kind of hysterical self righteousness and that was Askel5.It's a hallmark of a profound misanthropy.

[Leatherneck_MT]

Yeah I guess the murder of millions of unborn children is not a crime equal to murdering a murderer.

Whether abortion is legal or not it is STILL murder.

I don't support what Hill did, but I can understand his motivation.

[Conspiracy Guy]

You haven't said anything. You are just pounding the keys. Shootings and Clinic bombings only nudge the center to the left. We need the center to win any change. So if you schmucks want to keep abortion legal keep committing and condoning violence. Now with that said I have no further key pounding to do for you.

[strela]

MY point was simply that some seem to see the evil of Paul Hill but don't correspondingly see the evil of the abortionists.

People are murdered every day, not just by abortionists. Again, "the evil of abortionists" is irrelevant to the disposition of a nutcase who murdered two people in cold blood and was rightfully executed by the state for his crimes.

And for some of us who see civil justice as an ordered extension of Divine Justice, Hill's eternal punishment is NOT "irrelevant."

I never said that Hill's eternal punishment was "irrelevant." On the contrary, I speculated several times that he is roasting in Hell right now.

Further, I think the condemnation of abortion in the context of this thread is totally appropriate and don't feel the need (thank you much!) to "start an abortion thread."

Simply repeating a point that I have already dispatched does not help you advance that point. It merely makes you look like a hysterical, one-issue poster who is apparently attempting to soft-pedal the actions of a murderer by using the childish argument "well, HE started it!".