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To: raysol; 4mycountry; Zavien Doombringer; trussell; jriemer; Constitution Day; William Martel; ...
Oh, let's just play my favorite game, "Stop The Tape!", and see what we've got...

Compare & contrast these 2 quotes given that our troops are in over 100 foreign lands(where we dont belong)

What quotes? Atrributed to Whom? You don't even mention who's quoted. I can only assume you mean James Monroe. Amazing that you quote the author of the Monroe Doctrine, who ADVOCATED US supremacy in the Western Hemisphere, as a bash attempt against the Bush Doctrine.

And as far as "Final Days" is concerned, a second-hand "quote" by a discredited quasi-journalist who made up Deep Throat, is hardly admissible.

She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue

Sounds a lot like the UN, to me...

Haigs presence then Secretary of State HK referred pointedly to military men as dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns for our foreign policy.

And the classic Democrat tactic of accusing your opponents of what you already do.

You have been found wanting. Therefore I pronounce your doom:


30 posted on 05/01/2004 6:36:02 PM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: Admin Moderator
Arator?
31 posted on 05/01/2004 6:45:57 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Old Sarge
Kissenger merely expresses the sentiments of what those in power really think of us. Not all perhaps, but most.

Military Men Are Dumb, Stupid Animals
author: doubleplusgood
many people have asked about the origin of a quote from Henry Kissinger regarding military men, which came from Woodward and Bernstein's "The Final Days" (1976). Here is the complete paragraph--and for context, the one following--excerpted from pages 194-195 of the second Touchstone paperback edition (1994).

Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, greets newsmen in H. R. Haldeman's former office on May 4, 1973. (UPI / Bettmann)




In their December 1975 Foreword to "The Final Days", Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein state that the book is based on interviews and re-interviews with 394 people, concentrating on the last 100 days of Nixon's administration. None of the quotes or information in the book is individually footnoted or referenced--they do mention that "we did not accord equal weight to all sources," and that "nothing in this book has been reconstructed without accounts from at least two people."

Authors Woodward and Bernstein also note that "The Final Days" is "the work of four people. Scott Armstrong, a former Senate Watergate Committee investigator, and Al Kamen, a free-lance writer/researcher, assisted us full time in the reporting, research and some of the writing."

Kissinger's quote regarding miltary men comes from Chapter 14, which extensively discusses Al Haig, Kissinger and other Nixon staff advisors' negotiations and differences over national security issues during the 1969-1974 period.

The exact, direct quote marks begin with the word 'dumb' and terminate after the word 'used'.

Here is the FULL KISSINGER QUOTE verbatim from the bottom two lines of page 194 to line 14 of page 195:




[paragraph]
In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig.

[paragraph]
On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he said.



SOURCE:

Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein
The Final Days
second Touchstone paperback edition (1994)
Chapter 14, pp. 194-195
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32 posted on 05/01/2004 6:48:44 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Old Sarge
(Sarge, none of the above is *mine*, I pasted from another site, link is at bottom)
33 posted on 05/01/2004 6:49:34 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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