Alleged Irag Prisoner Abuses.....So what?? Who Cares??

New York Times, Washington Post, etc.... | 5/11/04 | GeorgeW23225

[MineralMan]

"For a "godless atheist", and on this issue, you've consistently come across as seeming more "Christian" than some of us who actually claim the Lord. It's pretty humbling as well as refreshing.

I believe the war on terrorism is the only right thing to do--it's either that or surrender, convert, and accept sharia. But *how* to best fight this war will naturally remain arguable."

That's very kind of you to say, but not necessary. The teachings of Jesus, as recorded in Matthew are probably the best guide ever written on how to behave with our fellow human beings.

Yes, we always must fight terrorism, whether it wears the swastika of Nazism or the star and crescent of Islam. We must fight, and we will always prevail.

But, in our battle, we must not lose sight of the ideals of this nation, which include the right of all people to worship as they choose.

Just as with Christianity, Islam has its holy wars. In my opinion, holy wars are wrong...every time.

If we are very, very lucky, we will prevail in Iraq and leave behind us a new nation, with a representative government and most of the ideals that underly our own nation.

If we are not so lucky, or if we lose sight of our American moral values, we will leave Iraq as the victors in the short term but with the hatred of people who follow the second largest religion on this planet.

We do not want to do that. Some here call for the annihilation of Islam. That simply is not going to happen. Indeed, many Islamic countries are trade partners, allies, and friendly to our nation.

We must attack the terrorists, but try to avoid attacking the religion of Islam. If we cannot do that, then we will surely fail in the long term.

That's not a liberal point of view. It is the point of view of Christianity. Jesus taught that we should not only forgive our enemies once or even seven times, but seventy times seven times.

We must defeat the terrorists, but not defeat our own principles in the process. If we do lose our ideals in this war, we have truly lost.

[Blzbba]

"2nd amendment, guns, a few 100 million armed americans, whatever"


Exactly why all the Chicken Littles on this site who fear that Islam will take over America are completely off their rockers. Their fearful insinuations that people like me will just roll over to some mythical fantasy of an Islamic invasion are downright insulting.

Besides, what Islamic military could possibly pull off such a coup? For that matter, how many Muslims are even in Congress?

[GeorgeW23225]

I belong to the world's smallest minority.
The individual !! And I don't take a "poll" before stating my opinion!!

What I said, needed to be said......

[GeorgeW23225]

I'm sure you meant "alleged" sexual abuse, didn't you??

[GeorgeW23225]

IMHO.......If this was a "conventional" war, I would agree. But, it isn't!!

This EVIL enemy doesn't wear a "uniform", and they don't play by the Geneva Convention rules and regulations. Why should we?? They ONLY respect power, so let's give it to them!!

[GeorgeW23225]

All Muslims may not be terrorists, but their outrage at the perversion of their religion, isn't exactly deafening, is it??

I'm sorry, but I just don't trust any of them!! At least not until THEY speak out!!

P.S. I recently had a "discussion" with 2 white women who claimed to be "converts" to Islam. They told me that Saddam Hussein did NOT kill 500,000 kurds. The said the U.S.A did. Seems like the blame America First crowd to me.....

[AntiGuv]

Hey, now! No need to get snippy!! =)

[GeorgeW23225]

Why aren't they screamimg about the perversion of their religion by the radicals?? Could it be because they are a part of the radicals??

[GeorgeW23225]

My fear is that you are correct. I wonder what Kerry would do?? Probably have them arrested, and appoint Johnny Cochran as their attorney!!

[GeorgeW23225]

"W" will finish it, if we let him !! That is why this election is so important. Just look in his eyes when he says we are going to stay the course. He means what he says, and says what he means. THANK GOD!!

[GeorgeW23225]

I couldn't have said it better myself!! Thanks for the post!!

[GeorgeW23225]

a Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim......
Who cares what "country" they come from!!

You'd better get a clue and soon!!

[GeorgeW23225]

I wasn't getting snippy. When I do, you'll know it!! :-)

[Blzbba]

"You'd better get a clue and soon!!"


Easy, Chicken Little, easy. You continue to live your life in irrational fear of what won't happen. I'll continue to not worry about a phony Muslim invasion.

I did note that you failed to address either question I posed: What Muslim army could possibly invade us and what Congressmen are currently Muslim (since defeat from within would best be aided by legislation).

The politics of fear and hatred don't work on me.

[Blzbba]

"I'm sorry, but I just don't trust any of them!! At least not until THEY speak out!! "



So why are you in favor of our troops dying for their freedom in Iraq?

Personally, for me it's not a matter of 'trust' - it's just that I honestly DO NOT CARE about the Iraqi people or any other oppressed Muslims.

I didn't care about them in March, 2003 or March 1993. Noone else here gave a damn either when Saddam was butchering and gassing them for the past two decades. So why are we supposed to be giving a damn about them now? Let them do their own overthrowing of the gov't and establishment of freedom.

If this whole military invasion of Iraq fails and costs Bush the election (or not), his biggest mistake won't be POW abuse or unfound WMDs. It will be caring for people that deserve none. We're wasting our time and lives in that hellhole for absolutely nothing.

[Rollee]

What about the MOAB? The gloves need to come off. I'm too angry to type correctly.

[GeorgeW23225]

What Muslim Army could possibly invade us??

You ARE kidding, aren't you?? Have you heard of Al-Queda, and do you remember September 11th, 2001??

As far as Congress is concerned, I don't think we give litmus tests to Muslims, but, perhaps we should.

I'm not Chicken Little, and no where in my posts do I express some paranoid belief of a Muslim invasion. However, I find it much better to fight them in Baghdad than in Brooklyn...........

[Blzbba]

" Have you heard of Al-Queda, and do you remember September 11th, 2001?? "


Yes and yes.


Simple math: A few hundred ass-backwards ragheads don't have an ice-cube's chance in hell of defeating the American military, here or abroad. Your suggestion to the contrary is laughable at best and insulting to the military at worst.

There's no Muslim navy or air force that could possibly harm us in any major way.

And the Muslim people aren't worth American lives, sorry.


"I don't think we give litmus tests to Muslims, but, perhaps we should. "


I knew we'd agree on something! :)

[GeorgeW23225]

I'll try this just one more time.........

I did NOT post any paranoid comments saying that we were going to be overwhelmed in the USA by the radical/fundamentalist/terrorist/muslims.

However.......you show a naiveté that is staggering beyond belief!! There are 1,500,000,000 muslims in the world, not just a few hundred ragheads. They used "OUR" planes and attacked us, AND they sure must have boats to use, or was the attack on the USS Cole, and the attack 2 weeks ago on the Oil Platform, just my imagination??

I'm not saying that our Military can not defeat them, but your posts show an incredible lack of respect for a very, very dangerous evil enemy.......Can we defeat them?? Yes !! Will it be easy?? No !! And if you think it will be easy, you must still believe in the Tooth Fairy !!

[sultan88]

"Am I sorry for the "alleged" Iraqi prisoner abuses?? NO!! I'm only sorry that the story and the photos leaked out."

In solid agreement. Especially when these photos and the Taguda (SP?) report were evidence in the Army's investigation of the MP's. These things didn't just leak out. They were "planted" by certain people with a specific agenda. Even if that agenda results in compromising a criminal investigation, the deaths of more American military personnel, the distruction of American cities, and losing the War on Terror. I am angry, too!