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Hoping For the Worst-PROOF American Media Wants More Iraqis to Die/be Humiliated Just So Bush Loses!
Spectator UK ^ | 5-16-04 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 05/15/2004 10:03:53 PM PDT by jmstein7

This is an OUTRAGE!  This is a smoking gun - further proof that the media is willing to wish death on people to put liberals in power.  I posted an earlier, older story on this here

This story has not gotten enough play.  Please read it and pass it on to everyone you know -- and post it everywhere on the internet you can.  After you read it, please take the time to take action and contact the media - at the addresses/telephone #s/faxes below (under the article):

(Note to mods: please leave this in "breaking" - the story may be missed otherwise, and this is an *important* one to get out)


Hoping for the worst
Toby Harnden talks to an anti-war journalist who wants to see more Iraqis die — so that Bush will be thrown out in November Baghdad

There was something pitiful about the US army’s attempts to show off Abu Ghraib to reporters here. Like package tourists, we were shepherded past smiling young soldiers wishing us ‘good morning sir, ma’am’ to a hastily-constructed new visitors’ centre and then a pristine hospital where we were met by a surgeon called Good and a Lieutenant Colonel Proper.

Outside, hundreds of inmates swarmed towards our air-conditioned bus as we were briefed on how well Saddam Hussein’s former prison is now being run after the publication of the rather, er, regrettable holiday snaps taken by the first lot of Americans to run the place.

In the interrogation centre, Colonel Foster Payne explained that the eyebolts on the floor were used to restrain inmates only in exceptional circumstances and it was important to realise that Abu Ghraib was an ‘intelligence-lucrative’ environment.

Our chief tour guide was Major General Geoffrey Miller, Abu Ghraib commander and formerly the top guard-dog at Guantanamo Bay, aka ‘Gitmo’, the extended Caribbean vacation destination for many of those captured on battlefields in Afghanistan. Unfortunately, or appropriately, he looks like a brutal parade sergeant from one of those 1980s Vietnam films, and talks like one too. ‘There’s two types of people in this world,’ he drawled at us. ‘Texans and those who want to be Texans.’

In the newly painted block 1-A, one of the five women — of 3,200 inmates — wailed and accused her guards of inserting a pen inside her. Miller, through gritted teeth, urged us to clear out. ‘You’re violating our requests now,’ he barked. ‘We’ve asked you to move on.’ Moving on is not going to be easy for any of us. The New Yorker’s Seymour Hersh, the reporter who broke the story of the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, is drip-feeding us with new images each week.

There seems to be no story about torture — real, imagined or invented — in Iraq that won’t be covered exhaustively and breathlessly. We know more about Specialist Lynndie England, the West Virginian with the dog lead, than we ever wanted to. A month ago, no one would have listened to the female detainee’s abuse claim; now, few would not believe her.

But what do the abominations perpetrated at Abu Ghraib really tell us about Iraq and the faltering American-led project to plant the seeds of democracy here? And why are so many people who were against the war, or are incapable of viewing any American action as anything other than evil or stupid, greeting each fresh revelation with an almost indecent glee?

The other day, while taking a break by the Al-Hamra Hotel pool, fringed with the usual cast of tattooed defence contractors, I was accosted by an American magazine journalist of serious accomplishment and impeccable liberal credentials.

She had been disturbed by my argument that Iraqis were better off than they had been under Saddam and I was now — there was no choice about this — going to have to justify my bizarre and dangerous views. I’ll spare you most of the details because you know the script — no WMD, no ‘imminent threat’ (though the point was to deal with Saddam before such a threat could emerge), a diversion from the hunt for bin Laden, enraging the Arab world. Etcetera.

But then she came to the point. Not only had she ‘known’ the Iraq war would fail but she considered it essential that it did so because this would ensure that the ‘evil’ George W. Bush would no longer be running her country. Her editors back on the East Coast were giggling, she said, over what a disaster Iraq had turned out to be. ‘Lots of us talk about how awful it would be if this worked out.’ Startled by her candour, I asked whether thousands more dead Iraqis would be a good thing.

She nodded and mumbled something about Bush needing to go. By this logic, I ventured, another September 11 on, say, September 11 would be perfect for pushing up John Kerry’s poll numbers. ‘Well, that’s different — that would be Americans,’ she said, haltingly. ‘I guess I’m a bit of an isolationist.’ That’s one way of putting it.

The moral degeneracy of these sentiments didn’t really hit me until later when I dined at the home of Abu Salah, a father of six who took over as the Daily Telegraph’s chief driver in Baghdad when his predecessor was killed a year ago. It was a — sadly — rare opportunity to speak to ordinary Iraqis in a social setting.

As the lights went out for the third time that evening, we discussed what life after Saddam was like. It was possible to talk freely now, said his sister Jenan, but the Americans had not yet brought either peace or democracy. Two months ago, the family had been forced to raise $40,000 for the release of her abducted brother-in-law.

She had decided not to apply for a job at the new American Embassy because of the dangers. ‘My friend worked as a translator for the Coalition,’ she said. ‘One night her car was ambushed by the resistance and they killed her with a bullet to the head.’ This week, a neighbour’s three-year-old daughter had been kidnapped. All Jenan longed for was stability.

Iraq is so dangerous now that hardly any television journalists venture out of the Al-Hamra or the Palestine Hotel, where lager and post-barbecue spliffs help relieve the tension of being in a war zone. There are insurance problems and the brooding, ex-SAS bodyguards forbid any excursions. The dirty little secret is that the endless ‘stand-ups’ you see on your screens are based on no reporting at all. Those of us who work for newspapers grow our Shia beards or, in the case of the women and the occasional John Simpson wannabe, wear hijabs and trust in fate, our relative anonymity and the skill and bravery of Abu Salah and his kind to get us to Najaf and Fallujah without being summarily executed. But what we can accomplish is limited.

Into this journalistic vacuum it is all too easy for the prejudices of the press corps — tourists looking through telescopes — to flow more freely than ever and the resulting reports to be distorted and incomplete. After the horrifying videotape slaughter of Nick Berg, there will be even greater reluctance among Westerners to leave their fortified hotels and compounds.

Whatever we thought about the war before it was launched, it is imperative that the forces of Arab nationalism and Islamism that now threaten to destroy Iraq are defeated. If America fails in Iraq it will be all of us in the West, not just Bush, who will suffer. But those who would be most in peril, of course, would be the Iraqis, who deserve better than to have their country treated as an electoral playground by the American Left or Right. To wish otherwise is as sick as the grins on the faces of the Abu Ghraib torturers.

Toby Harnden is the Middle East correspondent for the Daily Telegraph.


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1 posted on 05/15/2004 10:03:56 PM PDT by jmstein7
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To: Mich0127; RightRules; MeekOneGOP; Peach; onyx; backhoe; Mia T; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; ...

Proof Media Wants Deaths Just So Bush Loses!


2 posted on 05/15/2004 10:05:08 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: narses; Nick Danger; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; ...

Proof Media Wants Deaths Just So Bush Loses!


3 posted on 05/15/2004 10:08:56 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7

Do you really think it will do any good? Seems that so many want Bush out of office and the war in Iraq to fail.

Sorry for whining. This is getting me depressed.


4 posted on 05/15/2004 10:09:03 PM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: jmstein7

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The Enemy is now Within...
and always has been.


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5 posted on 05/15/2004 10:12:12 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: jmstein7

My bet: Jaime Rubin's wife-Christianne (ironic is it not) Ammenpour(sp). My off the cuff take. If she isn't there I get to vote again OK?


6 posted on 05/15/2004 10:14:08 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: jmstein7
This is an OUTRAGE! This is a smoking gun - further proof that the media is willing to wish death on people to put liberals in power. I posted an earlier, older story on this here.

This story has not gotten enough play. Please read it and pass it on to everyone you know -- and post it everywhere on the internet you can. After you read it, please take the time to take action and contact the media


What, you expect them to report on themselves? You're dreaming.
7 posted on 05/15/2004 10:16:22 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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To: Admin Moderator

It's a sad day when an important piece like this one is moved by FR Mods to the "'blogger" wilderness.

What exactly is important, then?


8 posted on 05/15/2004 10:19:24 PM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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To: jmstein7

"But those who would be most in peril, of course, would be the Iraqis, who deserve better than to have their country treated as an electoral playground by the American Left or Right."

Good line.

I was thinking about this earlier today: how much different would things be going right now in the WOT, were this not an election year? What do you think might happen right after President Bush is re-elected? Take off the leash?


9 posted on 05/15/2004 10:19:50 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney for '04.)
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To: Atchafalaya

I'm wrong, unless Christianne finally shut up and took to writing; I didn't see the magazine thingy. So who it is?


10 posted on 05/15/2004 10:21:56 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: adam_az

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"Iraq's missing WMD's will suddenly appear in October...


.....H-E-R-E"..!!!


...stated Dr. STANLEY MONTIETH, speaking at today's UROC Conference in So. California.


Signed:..A Witness


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11 posted on 05/15/2004 10:23:23 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: Atchafalaya
Christianne (ironic is it not) Ammenpour(sp). My off the cuff take. If she isn't there I get to vote again OK?

Vote again. The subject was "an American magazine journalist of serious accomplishment".

Christiane Amanpour is a cable news babe.

12 posted on 05/15/2004 10:23:59 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: okie01

Babe? Your opthamologist is calling!


13 posted on 05/15/2004 10:30:59 PM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: arasina

It is very frustrating because we all know what is happening but can't seem to do anything about it. Wish all Republicans/conservatives could unite and boycott one of the major news shows to demonstrate our anger. It seems like talk radio could reach enough people with a specific boycott to make a significant dent in one of the news show's rating.


14 posted on 05/15/2004 10:47:02 PM PDT by sjeann
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To: Atchafalaya
'Twas merely a figure of speech...
15 posted on 05/15/2004 10:47:06 PM PDT by okie01 (www.ArmorforCongress.com...because Congress isn't for the morally halt and the mentally lame.)
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To: jmstein7

Bump.


16 posted on 05/15/2004 11:10:19 PM PDT by SAMWolf (Vengence is mine says the Lord, but I'm busy, so I sent the US Marines.)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
WMDs are discovered nearly every month in Iraq. They are usually old artillery or rocket rounds with chemical warheads. Mustard gas is the most common agent. The media simply doesn't report on them. If the media does report it they might wait until October in order to make cynical accusations of any mention of them by the administration. IMO they fabricate the conspiracies they accuse others of.
17 posted on 05/15/2004 11:13:22 PM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: Justa

bttt


18 posted on 05/16/2004 1:39:01 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: jmstein7

The attempts to politicize and denigrate the bringing of freedom to millions of persons in Iraq and Afghanistan and of bringing security to the U.S. and much of the world from Islamic terrorism - is abhorrent, obscene, and immensely dangerous.

It is ultimately suicidal. No gray zone here.

Many are participating in this willingly, others unwittingly.

Accounts and details are endless - from the badgering of our military by such people as Sen. Levin to a media who is likewise so filled with arrogance as to be devoid of any real sense of the need for civilization to defend itself.

It's all relative they say.

Wrong - we are in a struggle of life and death. There can not be failure - and there won't be.

We have a President who, yes, submits to God and asks His direction. Secularists frown, snicker at this. But submission to the Lord IS the beginning of wisdom. May we in humility even partially emulate our President in this.

There's an old proverb that the Lord puts us when and where He wants us to be - we're here in the here and now; and we have some work to do. Many thanks jmstein 7 for all yours.


19 posted on 05/16/2004 2:41:28 AM PDT by mtntop3 ("Those who must know before they believe will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: jmstein7

BTT!!!!!!


20 posted on 05/16/2004 3:03:23 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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