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My job went to India and all I got was this lousy Bureau of Labor Statistics report
Good Morning Silicon Valley ^ | Friday, June 11, 2004 | John Paczkowski

Posted on 06/11/2004 5:44:09 PM PDT by Willie Green

"Pretty lame." That's how Thea M. Lee, chief international economist at the AFL-CIO, described a new survey that suggests offshoring of American jobs is less of an economic threat than is popularly believed. Conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the survey found that of the 239,361 people who lost their jobs during the first quarter of the year, only about 2 percent, or 4,633, were sacked for reasons "associated with the movement of work outside the country." That's a reassuring metric. Certainly, if it were accurate, it would go a long way toward quelling the concern that erupted last year over widely publicized cases of Americans losing their jobs to cheaper workers abroad. But, sadly, it may not show the complete picture....

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1 posted on 06/11/2004 5:44:10 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: Sidebar Moderator; Admin Moderator
"Bloggers & Personal" is a relatively new forum.
I'm afraid I don't understand the criteria for posting articles here,
or why this article was moved here from the main forum.
Could somebody explain this to me please?
The article source isn't what I understand to be a "blog".
2 posted on 06/11/2004 6:02:06 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: AAABEST; afraidfortherepublic; A. Pole; arete; billbears; Digger; DoughtyOne; ex-snook; ...

It's awful lonely back here.


3 posted on 06/11/2004 7:19:14 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Job #16 since June 2001 starts Monday, 4-6 month assignment hopefully, engineering again.

God is gracious!


4 posted on 06/11/2004 7:51:52 PM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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To: Willie Green

Same sort of article appeared in the Milwaukee Journal this AM.

In THAT one, some BLS 'crat admitted that, well, this survey only covers LARGE closings, not small ones, and not "partial layoffs"

So, he said, maybe the actual number is 250,000 instead of 4,500.

Statistically insignificant, of course.


5 posted on 06/11/2004 8:53:26 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Willie Green
or why this article was moved here from the main forum

Maybe it's not politically correct to let people know that our jobs are being given away to foreigners... :^(

6 posted on 06/11/2004 9:55:57 PM PDT by janetgreen (DEPORT ILLEGAL ALIENS = NOW)
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To: ninenot
So, he said, maybe the actual number is 250,000 instead of 4,500.
Statistically insignificant, of course.

LOL! Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious that the disorganized drones at BLS bungled this one Big Time. As a first time report, they were probably franticly burning the midnight oil just to cobble together whatever they had and shove it out the door by the release deadline. Nobody paid any attention to whether the numbers actually made sense or not.

Of course, once the Press got a hold of it, their knee-jerk spin machines went into high-gear without giving the actual numbers much thought. Then when reality began to sink in, a lot of folks are winding up with egg on their faces. LOL! What a circus!

7 posted on 06/11/2004 10:11:55 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
Congratulations Race.
Times are tough, but I'm glad to hear you're coming up with something, even if only a temp assignment. Every bit helps until you can land something more long term and stable.
8 posted on 06/11/2004 10:14:54 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: janetgreen
Maybe it's not politically correct to let people know that our jobs are being given away to foreigners... :^(

Well I can certainly understand how some people would be hypersensitive about this article.
While I'm in a more objective and mellow mood, I kinda feel sorry for Dubya on this one. I don't actually believe that he'd stoop to manipulating the report. The incredulous number is more likely simply inept bureaucratic bungling at the BLS. They gotta lot of work to do to come up with a more credible data collection methodology on this. But it's happening on Dubya's watch, and the poor dude is suffering a credibility gap on the trade and jobs issues. Oh well, it's not as if I didn't try to warn him.

9 posted on 06/11/2004 10:28:37 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Moderators - we are still waiting for an answer, as to why you wish to bury this current topic.


10 posted on 06/11/2004 11:27:47 PM PDT by XBob (Boycott all free-traitors.)
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To: Willie Green

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/726940.cms
THE TIMES OF INDIA
India hits out at US over BPO backlash

AGENCIES[ TUESDAY, JUNE 08, 2004 10:36:10 PM ]

NEW DELHI: Terming it as unfortunate, India on Tuesday hit out at the backlash against business process outsourcing saying it was ironic that the country which was in the forefront of free and liberal trade was resorting to legislations to ban it.




"This is unfortunate. It is ironic that countries which used to be in the forefront of free, open and liberal trade are now even passing legislations to hinder BPO," Commerce and Industry Minister Kamal Nath told US-India Business Council's 29th Annual meeting via video conferencing.



Nath quoted authoritative studies to say that outsourcing was infact a win-win situation. While India gained in terms of employment, developed economies benefited in terms of profit.



"If something is mutually beneficial, it would be irrational to block it. BPO is not the only emerging area for India 's strengths, there are a host of other sectors where we welcome to invest and we can focus on," he said.



India 's public response to U.S. legislation to curb outsourcing has been notably tempered, a stark contrast to the heated language that often punctuates the debate over the issue in the United States . One of the few sharply worded statements to come out of India was made earlier this year by the Confederation of Indian Industry, a powerful business lobby, in response to the Senate legislation.



"The passage of the federal law barring outsourcing of U.S. government contracts given by American firms to companies located in India and other countries by the U.S. Senate is unfortunate and unwarranted," the organization said in January.



" India is taking examples from the United States and other developed countries on its path of liberalization and reforms. However, such anti-liberalisation measures, when adopted by developed countries, will lead to greater protections in other sectors, thus impacting global trade flows."



Economists in the United States note that far more jobs have been cut as a result of improved productivity, a weak economy and domestic corporate restructuring than have been lost to foreign outsourcing.



"In the current hysteria about offshore outsourcing, productivity unfortunately is seen in some circles as a four-letter word," the American Electronics Association said in a March report. "The concern about offshoring is very similar to the concerns during the late 1980s and early 1990s in the United States that Japan was going to become the dominant economic and high-technology power of the world. It didn't happen."



Many Indian executives and politicians believe that the offshore controversy will subside after the U.S. presidential election in November. Until then, they say it makes no sense to risk aggravating tensions further, especially when it is unclear whether American protectionist sentiment will lead to any significant curbs on offshore outsourcing this year or beyond, a report in techrepublic.com said


11 posted on 06/11/2004 11:30:30 PM PDT by XBob (Boycott all free-traitors.)
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To: XBob
Thanks Bob, but I'd be content with a simple clarification of what a "blog" is supposed to be.
It's been my impression that a "blog" is similar to a vanity...
But bloggers post on their own personal web-page and keep babbling on and on and on ad nauseum like a daily diary.
I'm certain there must be some talented and interesting bloggers out there in cyberspace, or else it would be such a popular fad. But the shear popularity has also created far too much incoherent garbage to wade through, and I try to stick with more legitimate media sources to do some filtering (even though some of those may be somewhat small-scale and off-the-beaten-track.)

Anyway, there's no sense in beating a dead horse when there are other articles and issues to discuss.
Too many people get emotionally involved in the sideshow spats.
Those present a certain allure for our more lurid curiosities, but from a productivity perspective, they're a counterproductive diversion and complete waste of time.

12 posted on 06/12/2004 9:43:49 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: RaceBannon

Yippee!


13 posted on 06/12/2004 11:38:28 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand

I'm pretty happy about it, yeah... :)


14 posted on 06/12/2004 12:28:38 PM PDT by RaceBannon (God Bless Ronald Reagan, and may America Bless God!)
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12 - "But the shear popularity has also created far too much incoherent garbage to wade through, and I try to stick with more legitimate media sources to do some filtering (even though some of those may be somewhat small-scale and off-the-beaten-track.)"

I agree.

BTW, I appreciate your regular postings of these type of articles, though I don't always respond to you personally.

I get very tired of free-traitors selling my country and my work for their profit.

Many Thanks.


15 posted on 06/12/2004 2:29:38 PM PDT by XBob (Free-Traitors are thieves who sell your opportunity and work for their profits.)
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