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To: Wallace T.
...should I then assume you are an anti-Semite and a conspiracy theorist to boot?

I suppose you should, if you have no other rebuttal to offer. Calling someone an anti-Semite, or a Nazi, is the last refuge of the speechless.

But if you goose step to the "Horst Wessel Lied," that would be very relevant!

No, but I can play Beethoven's, "Ode to Joy", in march time, on the bagpipes. Oh wait, He was Austrian. My mistake.

As for the "Red Diaper Baby" issue, I believe it was your article that first raised that ugly specter on this thread. If their mention makes me an anti-Semite, what does it make you?

There is a long gap of over two centuries between the French philosophers and the leftists of the 1960s antiwar movement who later cut their hair,

That's not fair, using the French in any kind of argument. From Rousseau to Sartre, the French have little, if any real concept of what Liberty means to the soul. The Continental philosophers, as opposed to those of the Scottish Enlightenment, have little to offer the Republic of the United States. You should have separated the two. The US, at its founding, had much more in common with English Common Law and the Scottish enlightenment than it does the Napoleonic Law and European Continental philosophies.

They may have had many drinking songs, but little encouraging sex outside of marriage.

Geez. You re a bigger moron than I thought. And you've got a dirty little mind, as well.

22 posted on 08/26/2004 10:17:20 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: elbucko
Calling someone an anti-Semite, or a Nazi, is the last refuge of the speechless.

Are you saying that the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai Brith and other debunkers of conspiracy theories are speechless? Their long experience with the writings of conspiracy theorists lends to their seeing patterns in those who unduly emphasize the collective role of Jews in leftist movements. You may not be an anti-Semite, but you did demonstrate a characteristic of anti-Semites. It may be a false inference, but so are several statements you have made.

Ad hominem attacks are the refuge of the speechless. They are characteristic of liberals and leftists, whose SOP is, when attacked and unable to defend their position, scream "racist, fascist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, yada yada yada" at the top of their lungs ad nauseum. Your penchant for ad hominems does not necessarily mean that you are a liberal or leftist. In an earlier post, you accused me of a lack of charity toward others. It would be well for you to consider the virtue of charity.

Additionally, Beethoven was German, not Austrian. He was a native of Bonn (in later times the capital of West Germany), far closer to the French than to the Austrian border.

As for the French, they have fallen on hard times intellectually for the last three centuries, in part due to the exile or execution of the Huguenots, who comprised the majority of France's middle class and business owners. However, John Calvin, the most profound theologian of the Reformation, was French. Calvin's theology was the principal source of English Puritanism and Scottish Presbyterianism. The influence of Calvin on England, Scotland, and America was profound. King George III called the American Revolution a Presbyterian rebellion. One well-known historian called the French theologian the earliest Founding Father of America. While Calvinist political philosophy was a mixed bag of classical liberalism and authoritarianism, we can clearly see the beginnings of the thought processes that led to the principles embodied in the Constitution. As an example, Samuel Rutherford, the 17th Century Puritan divine, authored Lex Rex, which stated that the duty of the Christian to adhere to higher law, derived from the Bible or from "good and necessary" consequences of Biblical principles, outweighed the obligation of allegiance to kings or other civil rulers. "The law is king," not "the king is the law."

I do not deny the influence of the Scottish Enlightenment in the shaping of the American republic, certainly in the "common sense" philosophy that was characteristic of the generation of the Founders and many of the most influential Americans of the first century of our national history. However, the Scottish philosophers were certainly a mixed bag with respect to their economic and political philosophies. While Adam Smith was the father of free market economists, other scholars associated with the Scottish Enlightenment were advocates of mercantilism. Additionally, many historians note that the authors most cited by the Founding Fathers (excluding the Bible) were Locke, Montesquieu, and Blackstone, none of whom would be considered a part of the Scottish Enlightenment.

As a final note, can you name a 19th Century Appalachian folk song that advocated or glorified marital infidelity or sexual promiscuity?

24 posted on 08/27/2004 10:19:39 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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