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MEL GIBSON SNUBBED
The Conservative Voice ^ | Jan. 25, 05 | Joel C. Rosenberg

Posted on 01/25/2005 4:03:56 PM PST by brigada

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2237


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By Joel C. Rosenberg

After writing and directing the most brilliant and controversial motion picture of 2004, and turning an investment of some $35 million of his own money into a $700 million worldwide box office take -- plus an additional $245 million in DVD and video rentals and sales -- Mel Gibson was not nominated for a "Best Director" Oscar. Nor was The Passion of the Christ nominated for "Best Picture."

Did you catch that?

Create the first film in a generation based on the "greatest story ever told" that actually gets people thinking and talking about the things that matter most in life and it's not even worthy of an Academy Award nomination.

Turn thirty-five million into a billion and you're not even the same lofty category as Mike Leigh.

Mike who? Oh, the guy that directed Vera Drake. Vera who????

The Passion did receive three nominations (makeup, music and cinematography). But that is a snub by any definition.

It seems the Oscar this year goes to....religious bigotry.

Hollywood is so repulsed by people of faith it can't even bring itself to consider -- forget reward, just consider -- a powerful, provocative film about the most influential person in the history of mankind.

It's sad to see the world's greatest entertainers so hostile to faith in general, and to Jesus Christ in particular. With all the separations, divorces, affairs, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, and suicides going on in Tinsel Town these days, Jesus is the special effect that city needs most.

Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

1 posted on 01/25/2005 4:03:57 PM PST by brigada
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To: brigada


Was it that good of a movie? Really? Would it have been enjoyable and or meaningful to non Christian me?


2 posted on 01/25/2005 4:05:24 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: brigada

This isn't a surprise.


3 posted on 01/25/2005 4:06:41 PM PST by silent_jonny (may contain peanuts)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Movies that make the most money aren't always the best movies.


4 posted on 01/25/2005 4:07:22 PM PST by OneTimeLurker
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To: brigada
According to the AP, the film did get three nominations....M. Moore got NONE!

Mel Gibson's religious blockbuster "The Passion of the Christ" missed out on main categories, but did pick up nominations for cinematography, makeup and original score.

Michael Moore's gamble to hold his hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" out of the documentary category - to boost its best-picture prospects - backfired. The movie was shut out across the board.

5 posted on 01/25/2005 4:08:17 PM PST by hoosiermama (There is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty. GWB)
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To: brigada
If Mel was expecting accolades, he was mistaken. Hollywood sent him away, claiming it wouldn't work, and he proved them wrong. He hit them both in their arrogance AND their philosophy. They will never give him a single inch on this.
6 posted on 01/25/2005 4:08:18 PM PST by atomicpossum (I am the Cat that walks by himself, and all places are alike to me.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I can't speak for you. I felt it was one of the most powerful films I have ever seen.
I suppose it depends on how open minded you are?


7 posted on 01/25/2005 4:08:33 PM PST by brigada
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To: brigada

Liberal controlled Hollywood.


8 posted on 01/25/2005 4:09:08 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: LauraleeBraswell
That's a good question. It really was a work of art, and I think non-Christian you would have appreciated that aspect of it. You probably like Handel's Messiah just because it is beautiful music. Or Michelangelo's David, or things such as that. The Passion of the Christ was art at that level. Seriously. It was beautiful, whether it has religious significance or not. And it is educational to those who maybe understand little about the Christian message or redemption. So yes. I think you might enjoy it.
9 posted on 01/25/2005 4:09:17 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: silent_jonny
Was it that good? Really, isn't it like 2 hours of violence?

I'm sure it meant allot to believing Christians, but to me, I would have probably been sickened by the violence.
10 posted on 01/25/2005 4:09:34 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: brigada
Big deal.

I don't give a democRat's A** what the academy thinks. I don't watch the "Oscars", and I don't pay any attention when a DVD has "Academy Award Winner" printed on its cover (probably less). An academy award has no more relevance to me than a razzie. It's just the hollywood nutballs patting themselves on the back, and that's all it is.

11 posted on 01/25/2005 4:10:32 PM PST by pillbox_girl
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To: brigada

At least Hollywood was fair and balanced. They snubbed Michael Mooreon too.


12 posted on 01/25/2005 4:11:04 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: brigada

Do you think Mel cares, or was surprised? I don't. In fact, I would consider a snub by the Academy to be a badge of honor.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 4:11:51 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: brigada
Turn thirty-five million into a billion and you're not even the same lofty category as Mike Leigh.

Argh! Box office sales are no measure of a movie. Plenty of *great* films fly under the radar and never make much money. The reverse is true, too - take Fahrenheit 9/11.

Besides, The Passion got three nominations for technical categories. That's three more than Moore got.

14 posted on 01/25/2005 4:12:24 PM PST by Lil'freeper (Error 404. The requested file was not found.)
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To: brigada


I have a question, does Jesus perform any miracles in the movie or is it just him being crucified. I don't want to see some guy hung from a cross.

I never ever got that. I didn't grow up with much religion (We never went to church but had one) but I know that every time I went to church the crucifix scared me. It really really did. Maybe, it's because I can't comprehend the meaning behind it from a personal level.


15 posted on 01/25/2005 4:13:34 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
It really was a work of art, and I think non-Christian you would have appreciated that aspect of it.

That's probably why it got nominated for best cimematography.

16 posted on 01/25/2005 4:13:44 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: LauraleeBraswell
It's a powerful, moving and emotional film. But it's not good in the traditional sense. Very graphic yet thought provoking beyond just it's gory surface.

It definitely fit the criteria to be considered by the academy, yet sadly it wasn't.
17 posted on 01/25/2005 4:13:45 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: My2Cents

amen to that, brother..we are indeed known by our enemies..


18 posted on 01/25/2005 4:14:56 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Yo-Yo


At least Hollywood was fair and balanced. They snubbed Michael Mooreon too.

No, the Democratic party in trying to appear more moderate is separating themselves publically from the Michael Moores. The Democratic party and the Hollywood elite go hand in hand.


19 posted on 01/25/2005 4:15:04 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I haven't seen it, either, for the same reason--the violence. I'm not squeamish about violence, but as a Christian I am hesitant to see Someone I love--and Someone I know loves me--being tortured and beaten. I know that it happened, and why, but I don't think I could sit there and watch it.


20 posted on 01/25/2005 4:16:23 PM PST by silent_jonny (may contain peanuts)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

If you look at any of the "ART" films with subtitle and excellent cinematography it truly fits in that category.....The tree nominations: cinematography, makeup and original score....would reinforce that premise.

Isn't it ironic that it is nominated for original score when the text is not in English, is from the bible, and the music is so indicative of the emotions of the plot and like a fine opera is crucial in telling the story.


21 posted on 01/25/2005 4:16:46 PM PST by hoosiermama (There is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty. GWB)
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To: Tempest


I have a "Christian question"

How is Jesus GOD, if Jesus is GOD's son? Isn't that polytheism?

Not to offend anyone, but really that's how deficient my Christian education was.


22 posted on 01/25/2005 4:18:03 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell (“"Hi, I'm Richard Gere and I'm speaking for the entire world.” -Richard Gere)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I thought that going in too. But it is a work of art far beyond any of the Hallmark Card religious movies I saw in my youth. There is no accounting for taste but I know of no one who has seen the movie that has not had strong feelings about it.

That says something.


23 posted on 01/25/2005 4:18:07 PM PST by AHWilde
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Lauralee,

Yes, he did perform a miracle. He rose from the grave. As a believing Christian, that is the greatest miracle ever. Sorry that the crucifix scares you. I truly do understand where you are coming from.
I feel blessed because when I look at it, I feel God's love and ultimate sacrifice that he gave to all his children.


24 posted on 01/25/2005 4:19:25 PM PST by brigada
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To: brigada

I haven`t seen this movie, I will say that straight off. But why do people need to see The Passion of the Christ receive an oscar ( in any category )? Would it make the movie more meaningful to you? I just don`t get it.

I don`t care what hollywood does, says, thinks, or whatever. I guess that is why I am not offended by their actions. Just snub their movies, you will feel a whole lot better.

Stop worrying about hollywood and their silly oscar awards, and put your efforts in more important things.


25 posted on 01/25/2005 4:19:26 PM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Really, isn't it like 2 hours of violence? ... I would have probably been sickened by the violence.

And well you should be - it's the sign of a healthy conscience. We are truly blessed to live in a time and place where we have the luxury of being sickened by the thought of such violence.

The bulk of human history was full of it, however.

26 posted on 01/25/2005 4:19:50 PM PST by Lil'freeper (Error 404. The requested file was not found.)
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To: brigada; All
Hey, Gibson approached Hollywood for backing, and they turned him down flat. He got up though, invested $35 million of his own cash, and then approached Hollywood distibuters to get the movie shown in a lot of theaters. He was turned down by every major Hollywood distributer, and had to go to the little known New Market Films, based in Britain.

Needless to say, New Market made a fortune from marketing The Passion, and all the Hollywood distributors realized that they hadn't shut the movie down, instead they'd lost a golden opportunity. And I just read from the New Market Films website that The Passion has been nominated for three academy awards!!!!!!

"January 25, 2005 The Academy Awards® have nominated Mel Gibson's THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST in the categories of Best Cinematography, Best Makeup, and Best Original Score."

YEE HAW!

27 posted on 01/25/2005 4:19:57 PM PST by xJones
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Maybe, it's because I can't comprehend the meaning behind it from a personal level.

Bingo!

28 posted on 01/25/2005 4:22:25 PM PST by Colosis (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: silent_jonny
Jonny, I do not do violence, but found it to be one of the most beautiful movies I ever seen....When others were in tears at the crucifixion, I felt joy, because I knew how it ended......As an old hymn says: HE LIVES...HE LIVES, HE LIVES WITHIN MY HEART! Just that fleeting glimpse of the resurrection at the end made my heart leap with joy!

Rent the movie...If you need to look away at time or pause it do....but see the movie.

29 posted on 01/25/2005 4:24:07 PM PST by hoosiermama (There is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty. GWB)
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To: silent_jonny
The movie will make you cry.

The movie will make you uneasy.

The movie will make you question why He endured this.

The movie will make you truly know that He loves you.

30 posted on 01/25/2005 4:26:45 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: brigada
I am a Christian and the crucifixion is a mystery to me too but a blessed mystery. I know that it has to do with redemption and eternal life -- God's love gifts to we who believe -- but I strive to understand it. Maybe I should see "The Passion." I haven't yet.
31 posted on 01/25/2005 4:27:36 PM PST by KiloLima ("guest worker program" is to amnesty as "insurgent." is to terrorist . . . .)
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To: hoosiermama; afnamvet

Thank you for the recommendation and the encouragement. Understanding what He went through may be the missing piece of my faith.


32 posted on 01/25/2005 4:31:25 PM PST by KiloLima ("guest worker program" is to amnesty as "insurgent." is to terrorist . . . .)
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To: silent_jonny; LauraleeBraswell
The movie was great in the Saving Private Ryan, Bridge Over the River Kwai, Cool Hand Luke, sort of way.... there is violence but love and personalization of the violence.

There is the love of a mother, who sees what her son's mission in life is and devoutly watches him and remembers his boyhood and how she witnessed him mature.

There is weakness set against bravery and the ambivalence of a man who knows his mission in life. It shows Christ as he realizes the sacrifice and is not full of portrayed as "fearless" but as showing the bravery of a soldier who is afraid but overcomes his fear in order to do his job.... that is the true "courage" that is dealt with on the screen.

Those who portray this as a "snuff" flick are hypocrites when they "adore" Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, or any other generic violent, sex dripped movie released within the last 40 years.

If you don't "get" the crucification.... that's OK. It is only about a man giving up his life for your soul. no big deal,huh?.. that's all.

It's easy to be cynical...that's the easy way.... it's hard to be a person of faith and be unashamed of it....not a braggart but by living your life and realizing that we all fall short of the grace of God... and he gave his son for us to witness his forgiveness.

33 posted on 01/25/2005 4:31:27 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

Hi Laura-

Try reading from this link. It explains the Trinity with some quotes from early Church Fathers. Not sure if it's what you are looking for but might help.

http://www.catholic.com/library/God_in_Three_Persons.asp

From another Laura Lee
:-)


34 posted on 01/25/2005 4:36:13 PM PST by samiam1972 (Live simply so that others may simply live!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
To be quite honest with you my Christian education is quiet deficient as well. But I try to make up for it, in the strength of my faith.

Anyways to answer your question. I believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy ghost are one in the same. (AKA The Trinity) Hence, not being polytheistic. You get a pass being omnipotent and all that.
35 posted on 01/25/2005 4:37:56 PM PST by Tempest (Click on my name for a long list of press contacts)
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To: KiloLima
It certainly isn't easy to watch, and maybe I'm a bit weird, but viewing it brought me much peace and joy....Friends were troubled by it, we each reacted to different parts in varied ways...IMO The Bible reading before and after you view it is important. OTOH my friend's preacher had a discussion session which he felt was important....

One of the Jr high students that saw it, approached me the next day with a big hug. He said "words just don't express how much I appreciated seeing you at the movies last night"

When I asked him what he thought of the movie, he summed it up "I'll be thinking about it.....for the rest of my life!"
36 posted on 01/25/2005 4:39:47 PM PST by hoosiermama (There is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty. GWB)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
every time I went to church the crucifix scared me.

Jesus was scared, too.

Knowing what was about to be tortured and crucified, Jesus went to the Garden of Gethsemane to pray that God would take this terrible burden away from Him.

... and He began to be sorrowful and
deeply distressed. Then He said to them [His disciples],
"My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death.
Stay here and watch with Me."

He went a little farther and fell
on His face, and prayed, saying,
"O My Father, if it is possible,
let this cup pass from Me;
nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will."
(Matthew 26:37-39)

There's nothing wrong with being afraid of the crucifix. It's completely natural. Fear in this case brings respect for the sacrifice that was made.

37 posted on 01/25/2005 4:42:39 PM PST by silent_jonny (may contain peanuts)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

It's the mystery of the Holy Trinity. How can light be both a particle and a wave at the same time? Many mysteries there are, seen and unseen.


38 posted on 01/25/2005 4:43:38 PM PST by Argus (Practicing Mindless Zealotry For Two Decades)
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To: brigada

I don't know that it's any kind of bigotry on Hollywood's part - I think it's more along the lines of ignorance. What film critics prefer, the rest of America doesn't. Remember Saving Private Ryan? It was beaten out by some artsy fartsy romance. There are plenty of other examples over the past thirty years or so. You have people who want to be in these types of movies, who vote for the awards, and so of course they are going to vote for the artsy fartsy movies so they keep getting made.


39 posted on 01/25/2005 4:45:14 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: LauraleeBraswell
That should say: Knowing He was about to be tortured and crucified ...

Spent all that time formatting and I didn't proofread :)

40 posted on 01/25/2005 4:45:46 PM PST by silent_jonny (may contain peanuts)
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To: hoosiermama; afnamvet
Rent the movie...If you need to look away at time or pause it do....but see the movie.

I want to. Every time I go to the video store, I look at it on the shelf and I try to get the courage to rent it, but I always chicken out. Maybe next time.

41 posted on 01/25/2005 4:48:20 PM PST by silent_jonny (may contain peanuts)
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To: My2Cents

DITTO!


42 posted on 01/25/2005 4:49:22 PM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: brigada

Mel doesn't care he's been snubbed by Hollyweird. He's happy how many people turned out to see the film.


43 posted on 01/25/2005 4:52:04 PM PST by Vicki (Truth and Reality)
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To: brigada

I think Mel's award will come from a higher power.


44 posted on 01/25/2005 4:57:37 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Four More Years! - GOD Bless America and GOD Bless the Swift Vets!)
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To: Vicki

He's even happier that many lives were touch by it.....IMO money does mean as much to him as the witness he was able to share.


45 posted on 01/25/2005 4:58:28 PM PST by hoosiermama (There is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty. GWB)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Would it have been enjoyable and or meaningful to non Christian me?

I've long said that Mel Gibson supports Mel Gibson.
I have not seen the movie although I know folks who have and found it quite moving.
I reckon Mel is glad for the money, and cares not a whit for the award.

46 posted on 01/25/2005 5:02:48 PM PST by humblegunner (And who knows what else?)
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To: afnamvet

Hear hear.


47 posted on 01/25/2005 5:29:29 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: The Sons of Liberty
I think Mel's award will come from a higher power.

Steven Speilberg?

48 posted on 01/25/2005 5:30:16 PM PST by My2Cents ("I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: The Sons of Liberty

yeah, naturally, this higher power is 20th century fox. their rights to distribute the dvd means a cash cow (sort of like a false diety, something mr gibson should be familiar with) for him and everyone that worked on the film. it's obvious that mel gibson was dealing with hard times creating the movie, but he knew well that the payoff would be great. so great indeed that he pulled out last minute his deal with mattell and passion of christ dolls and playsets. he would have made a whole lot more money if he did, though, but he isn't one to be greedy.


49 posted on 01/25/2005 5:32:35 PM PST by Sunjeet
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To: humblegunner

How do you know who Mel Gibson supports?
I happen to know Mel Gibson through his wife and children, and he is one of the most thoughtful and caring people that there is!


50 posted on 01/25/2005 6:01:52 PM PST by brigada
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