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Terri's Ordeal Compared to Christ's Crucifixion
CNSNews ^ | 3/22/05 | Susan Jines

Posted on 03/22/2005 9:49:25 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Terri Schiavo's mother Mary Schindler is like another Mary -- forced to watch her child die, a spiritual adviser to the Schindler family said on Tuesday.

Brother Paul O'Donnell spoke on Tuesday after a federal judge refused an emergency request to reinsert Terri's feeding and hydration tube.

"During this week, as we look to Good Friday, all Mary the mother of Christ could do was stand at her child's side. He was condemned by unjust courts, the same way Terri Schaivo is being condemned to die by court order.

"We pray that this modern-day crucifixion will not happen and we have faith that Terri will be liberated, and we are not giving up hope," O'Donnell added.

Terri's parents are described as devout Roman Catholics.

In comments outside the Pinellas Park, Fla., hospice, O'Donnell said what's happening inside is heart-breaking:

"Her own mother cannot offer her daughter an ice chip in her mouth to make her comfortable," he said. "Her own mother, in the United States of America, cannot go in and comfort her and prop pillows under her, or rub lotion to her body. Her own mother cannot be at her side without being watched by armed police officers -- in the United States of America."


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1 posted on 03/22/2005 9:49:25 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Hail Terri...

Child of God...

We pray those judicial sinners...

Do not cause the hour of thy death...

Amen !!!

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2 posted on 03/22/2005 9:49:48 AM PST by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Terri Schiavo's mother Mary Schindler is like another Mary

Um, let's not take this too far.

3 posted on 03/22/2005 9:50:59 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Too late. We've had FReepers advocating armed insurrection, FGS, to say nothing about calling out the National guard, the federal marshalls, and the 82nd Airborne.

It's totally slipped the rails.

5 posted on 03/22/2005 9:53:43 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Soul_of_Chogokin
Fanatical stupidity is gonna bring us down.

But doesn't mean we can't profit from it! I'm currently working on a way to burn Terri Schiavo's image into a grilled cheese sandwich so I can sell it on Ebay. : )

6 posted on 03/22/2005 9:54:08 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
GEEEEZEEEEEE......Give me a break !!!!

No equivalence here
7 posted on 03/22/2005 9:54:10 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I have been thinking much the same. How odd this is happening during Holy Week. The health of the Pope seems to underscore the madness that our country has sunk.

God told the Israelites that if they would not follow him in their prosperity and glory, he would throw them down and they would follow him in poverty and misery.


8 posted on 03/22/2005 9:54:25 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

No, there is nothing efficacious about the death of this woman.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 9:55:34 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Her own mother cannot offer her daughter an ice chip in her mouth to make her comfortable," he said.

"Her own mother, in the United States of America, cannot go in and comfort her and prop pillows under her, or rub lotion to her body.

Her own mother cannot be at her side without being watched by armed police officers -- in the United States of America."

That is the more salient point of the article...

10 posted on 03/22/2005 9:55:35 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Long Cut
Too late. We've had FReepers advocating armed insurrection, FGS, to say nothing about calling out the National guard, the federal marshalls, and the 82nd Airborne. It's totally slipped the rails.

The interesting thing would be if we could get a Muslim cleric to issue a "fatwah" in support of Schiavo. That would really throw a bunch of these folks for a loop wouldn't it? Conflict of interests? lol

11 posted on 03/22/2005 9:56:43 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Um, let's not take this too far.

Considering that our government officials are doing a pretty good job of playing Pilate, I'm not sure this is too far off.

12 posted on 03/22/2005 9:56:50 AM PST by David75 (Celebrate Artificial Life Support - Buy Groceries)
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To: Mark in the Old South
I have been thinking much the same.

Please don't try that again then. Leave the thinking to the professionals. : )

13 posted on 03/22/2005 9:57:40 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: David75
Considering that our government officials are doing a pretty good job of playing Pilate, I'm not sure this is too far off.

So you're comfortable with comparing these judges to Pilate and her mom to Mary. Is Terri Schiavo the second coming of Christ?

14 posted on 03/22/2005 9:59:43 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Mark in the Old South

Gee, if there was only a small percentage of outrage for a sexually tortued 9 year girl held captive for up to two days by a sexual pervert as there is for this woman who has absolutely no cerebral cortex then perhaps, this country might get something done about these abductions.


15 posted on 03/22/2005 9:59:46 AM PST by graceland
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To: Bluegrass Conservative; Tumbleweed_Connection; GeekDejure; Soul_of_Chogokin; Long Cut; Robe
There is nothing fanatical here. Every Catholic is told to be like Christ, they call it alterchriti (not sure of the spelling). We are also taught to emulate Mary the Mother of God. This is very conventional and not at all fanatical. Unless you consider all Catholics fanatical?
16 posted on 03/22/2005 10:00:05 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Mark in the Old South
Unless you consider all Catholics fanatical?

You might not want to go there.

17 posted on 03/22/2005 10:01:13 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

You have no idea what you are talking about. Terri is Catholic and clearly you are ignorant of Catholic doctrine and teachings. With every stoke of the keyboard you illuminate ignorance.


18 posted on 03/22/2005 10:02:44 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
Um, let's not take this too far.

I too see that the analogy seems a bit much.

But I also see an innocent person being killed. I see people who on one side give a thumbs up and on the other side a thumbs down as far as the question of life. I see people in power saying who can be killed and others following their orders. I see other people in power washing their hands of the situation. I see still more powerful people calling for death for their own political purposes. I see a family grieving and powerless to stop the murder. I see a person who is being put through a painful and horrid death. I see someone who once was supposed to love the person being killed turn on the person to be killed.

I happen to be seeing this all before Easter. Hmm.

19 posted on 03/22/2005 10:06:43 AM PST by isthisnickcool (This space for rent.)
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To: graceland

I agree with you but don't expect to see that sort of outrage much longer. Be it a burdensome handicapped wife or parent, unwanted baby or expendable nonproductive little kid it is all about the adult's orgasm in the US today.


20 posted on 03/22/2005 10:06:48 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

That is what I thought. Your anti-Catholic views were evident with your first post.


21 posted on 03/22/2005 10:07:48 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative; sure_fine; All

Look what I found on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1469&item=5567730590&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Un-freaking-believeable.


22 posted on 03/22/2005 10:08:37 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm ( Veni Vidi Vino Visa "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: GeekDejure

You guys forgot to compare her husband with Hitler too.


23 posted on 03/22/2005 10:09:07 AM PST by conservlib
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To: isthisnickcool
I see people in power saying who can be killed and others following their orders.

While not necessarily in this case, I don't always have a problem with that happening.


24 posted on 03/22/2005 10:09:39 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Mark in the Old South
As a Catholic and former alter boy......I find this repulsive and sacrilegious..
she is no more Christ like that anyone else...
You are dancing on the edge.....
25 posted on 03/22/2005 10:10:10 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Mark in the Old South
That is what I thought. Your anti-Catholic views were evident with your first post.

I'm not anti-Catholic. I'm anti-nutso-fanatical Catholic. However, I'm also anti-nutso-fanatical Baptist (my faith) as well. This steps way over the line.

26 posted on 03/22/2005 10:14:19 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Robe
It is called making a comparison. The Catholic Church compares many flawed people as a type of Christ, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Arron, David, Solomon, Jonah and several others, nineteen or so Old Testament characters in fact. I haven't been Catholic for long but I have already heard several sermons from more than one Priest making similar comparisons. All people who suffer are called to unite their suffering to the Sacred suffering of Christ as an act of contrition for sin and the conversion of sinners.
27 posted on 03/22/2005 10:25:33 AM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

I've been reserving comment on this matter for a number of reasons. I can see both sides of the issue AND I must admit that most of us, me included, don't have enough facts to render a truly informed decision.

But, I have come to the conclusion that all parties are acting selfishly.

Most distressingly, I have come to the conclusion that republican leadership is fanning the flames of discontent and turning this unfortunate issue into a political football to curry favor amongst the pro-life crowd.

Republicans are the party of smaller government and states rights-- but apparently only when it suits their aims and agendas.

Don't get me wrong-- if I were Micahel Schiavo, I'd probably defer to the parents wishes and grant them guardianship of Terri. I have seen some evidence of brain activity in the poor woman and am very uncomfortable with the idea of causing her to die.

But, damn it all, her supporters have had 15 years to achieve the ruling they want and that ruling has never come. This is a state issue. This is a LEGAL issue-- an issue of guardianship. Her guardian is Michael Schiavo, for better or for worse.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of subverting this time-honored notion of guardianship to suit the needs of a single case. WHere does THIS lead us?

There are countless similar cases that we never hear of of legal guardians "pulling the plugs" on parents, children, husbands and wives. This case is NOT much different than any of those. It's a PAINFUL decision for everyone involved-- the difference here is that WE are all now made party to this decision.

WE have been drawn into the pain and we are feeling it, almost as a family member feels it. Emotions are running high, as is the hyperbole and rhetoric.

Folks-- this is NOT our decision. We are not amongst the Schiavo or Schindler families. We cannot embrace the idea of the Federal government asserting itself in this supremely personal decision unless we are prepared to have the same happen to us in countless and unforeseable ways in the future.

I applaud the right and moral FEELINGS that have led to this desire to help Terri-- but honestly, she cannot be truly helped the way we'd all like, and in this case the help may wind up hurting this nation in far greater ways.

I don't want to see Terri die. But sometimes we don't always get what we want and we have to be okay with that. Folks, because Terri will probably be made to die, DOES NOT bode ill for the future of medicine or life or compassion in this country. This case was not precedent setting UNTIL congress and the President became involved.

Bottom line: GET A LIVING TRUST!

That lesson is painfully obvious now.


28 posted on 03/22/2005 10:32:31 AM PST by agooga (The Kyoto Protocol will lower global temperature by .07 degrees.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Bordering on blasphemy.


29 posted on 03/22/2005 10:34:58 AM PST by PAR35
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To: GeekDejure

Wow, Talk about throwing gas on the fire when people don't see eye to eye. Scorched web site policy?


30 posted on 03/22/2005 10:35:07 AM PST by NY-YANK
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To: graceland
this woman who has absolutely no cerebral cortex

That is incorrect and follows the line of the Party of Death.

31 posted on 03/22/2005 10:37:39 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Soul_of_Chogokin
Fanatical stupidity is gonna bring us down.

Um, FYI, you're already down, buddy. You got no where to go.

32 posted on 03/22/2005 10:38:50 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: 7.62 x 51mm
these are some sick b@st@rds and beetches go Tell Them What You Think
33 posted on 03/22/2005 10:38:54 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: RightWhale

I saw the pictures of the brain scan. Where is the outrage over Lunsford? Sexually attacked by sexual pervert, kept prisoner for up to two days and her brain was intact. Why is Lunsford pushed to back page while every senator, congressman and even Pope has spoken for Schiavo? Oh Schiavo may have a few remnants of cerebral cortex, but believe me she isn't experiencing half the hell that Jessica Lunsford went thru in her last days. Nine year old girl, just home from church, abducted and spends her last days being raped by pervert, then smothered. Where's the Pope's concern over this? Where's the outrage from all the Congressman, Senators and President? There will only be more abductions, rapes and murders of little girls because people are so complacent.


34 posted on 03/22/2005 10:56:48 AM PST by graceland
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To: graceland
The kidnapping was juxtaposed with the Schiavo case in every news broadcast this weekend. That is the only comparison. Schiavo is a State matter from beginning to end. No one is allowed the power of killing except the State. Even the private decision of abortion is a State function now, that's why it was legalized.
35 posted on 03/22/2005 11:04:26 AM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
So you're comfortable with comparing these judges to Pilate and her mom to Mary. Is Terri Schiavo the second coming of Christ?

1. I'm not limiting my comparison to judges. The Florida Legislature, a few Congressman, and the Brothers Bush have behaved similarly.

2. I do not believe Terri Schiavo is the second coming; however, Jesus did say something along the lines of, "Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to Me." As I recall, He didn't take too kindly to those who denied Him food and drink.

36 posted on 03/22/2005 11:21:07 AM PST by David75 (Celebrate Artificial Life Support - Buy Groceries)
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To: David75
1. I'm not limiting my comparison to judges. The Florida Legislature, a few Congressman, and the Brothers Bush have behaved similarly.

You're actually criticizing President Bush, who flew back to D.C. early to sign the legislation, about his role in this whole matter?

37 posted on 03/22/2005 11:23:13 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Too late.


38 posted on 03/22/2005 11:24:14 AM PST by lugsoul (Until at last I threw down my enemy and smote his ruin on the mountainside.)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative
You're actually criticizing President Bush, who flew back to D.C. early to sign the legislation, about his role in this whole matter?

Well, Pilate did try to convince the Pharisees to let Jesus live, but when the Pharisees persisted, Pilate gave in and washed his hands of it. It appears that this case is turning out similarly.

39 posted on 03/22/2005 11:28:27 AM PST by David75 (Celebrate Artificial Life Support - Buy Groceries)
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To: conservlib
You guys forgot to compare her husband with Hitler too.

Long before Hitler came after the Jews, he purged German society of genetic accidents, the retarded, the insane, the crippled, and the disabled WWI vets. The German "Nuremburg codes" were modeled on Virginia's eugenics legislation, but the german medical association went beyond involuntary sterilization. The name of the game was getting rid of "useless eaters," so that the "good" people, the "right" people, could live better.

40 posted on 03/22/2005 11:30:55 AM PST by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Poohbah; hchutch; Hildy; Howlin; Peach; veronica; Neets
Ya gots to see this.

Pooh, we need to look at those odds yet AGAIN if this kind of craziness is happening.

Hell, I'm AGNOSTIC fer corn's sake, and I find this insulting.

41 posted on 03/22/2005 11:54:39 AM PST by Long Cut ("Looks like meat's back on the menu, Boys!")
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To: Long Cut

Unconscionable.


42 posted on 03/22/2005 12:02:12 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: Long Cut

You didn't see this coming? It is Holy Week.

I did.


43 posted on 03/22/2005 12:03:43 PM PST by Neets
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Alot of the wording in this article is a bit too much. Way over the top as a matter of fact.


44 posted on 03/22/2005 12:03:57 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: Long Cut

It's insulting, repugnant, and way over the top, thats for sure.


45 posted on 03/22/2005 12:06:03 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: onyx

The bats are out today. Hysteria reigns the day.


46 posted on 03/22/2005 12:06:43 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have a //cuckoo// God given right //Yeeeahrgh!!// to be an //Hello?// atheist)
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To: BigSkyFreeper; ambrose; the Deejay; Shermy

Absolutely awful.


47 posted on 03/22/2005 12:08:29 PM PST by onyx (Robert Frost "Good fences make good neighbors." Build the fence, Mr. President and Congress.)
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To: David75
Well, Pilate did try to convince the Pharisees to let Jesus live, but when the Pharisees persisted, Pilate gave in and washed his hands of it. It appears that this case is turning out similarly.

Uh huh. And what would you have President Bush do?

48 posted on 03/22/2005 12:09:46 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Gnome sayin'?)
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To: onyx; Hank Rearden

speechless.


49 posted on 03/22/2005 12:11:12 PM PST by ambrose (....)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative; onyx

LOL!

This internet-enhanced mass hysteria and the cast of sideline, non-family players is for the history books.

BTW, for the "husband is Satan" and "husband denied care" folks, they should read this:

http://www.nationalreview.com/pdf/SchiavoFinalReport.pdf


50 posted on 03/22/2005 12:15:34 PM PST by Shermy
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