Posted on 06/30/2005 9:09:45 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
Over the years I have appreciated and admired what Billy Graham has stood for and against. His integrity has been near perfect. When most evangelists have slipped or stuck their foot in their mouth Billy Graham has stood on the Word of God, without wavering.
During the past six decades, his message of Jesus Christ has been heard by over 210 million in 185 countries. He has been counsel to presidents, a passionate evangelist, a loving husband, and a caring father.
This past weekend in New York, it was Graham’s much-anticipated last revival. Instead of focusing on his revival, Graham used it as a launching pad for something else: The Clintons.
Graham and the Clintons?
Pro-Life meets Pro-Choice? Pro-Family meets Pro-Gay?
Yes, you read it right. It took me several minutes to digest the thought and I still haven’t adjusted to it. Billy Graham had my admiration and respect for his foundation in morality and values. What is he doing?
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This is not news, why have so many people been deceived by this man?????
He even has said he no longer believes Jesus is the only way.
I wonder if he was not an agent of Satan all along.
yes it is very disappointing. My respect for Graham took a huge hit when I heard what he said about the Clintons. I hate to say it, but perhaps Graham is suffering from age-related dementia?
"When most evangelists have slipped or stuck their foot in their mouth Billy Graham has stood on the Word of God, without wavering."
This is just the opposite of what Leftists and their MSM were saying when it was revealed that Graham agreed with Nixon in a person conversation.
In other news, it's impossible to draw a straight-line from Rev. Graham being used by the Clintons as a prop on stage to Rev. Graham being pro-abort. Stupid media.....
Well, speaking only for myself, it's because he DID seem to be a good man for not just a few years, but decade after decade. A good man and a good Christian. And now, well, it IS news that a man like that is backing the Clintons. It smacks either of hypocrisy, abandonment of his principles and values which he preached and practiced for six decades, or something corrupt afoot.
Can you provide that source quote?
Thanks. I think you hit the nail on the head, by the way.
"Southern Democrats before Jimmy Carter were evangelical"
Uh not exactly. Despite what popular media would have you believe, there were non-Evangelicals in the Southland before the whole Sun Belt Revolution.
Clinton is a good preacher....for the Left and its causes!
That's what I attribute it to. By the way, has his son commented on the Clinton statement?
Interesting way of putting it.
Do you have a link to that?
Yes it is called Cult of Clintonism and it has been planted across the globe, the EUROS just love the old pervert.
Sigh...I hate seeing the bearing of false witness too.....
will try. I heard it from a recent interview.
So, who's Grand High Wazoo of the Cult of Clinton?
Hillary or Slick Willy?
Or, maybe, Howard Dean or Maurice Strong?
"Oh, Clinton, Conqueror of Lewinsky, we offer to you this celebratory song this day to help your wife win the election. YEEEEAARGH! YEEEAARGH! Oooohhhh YEARGH!"
No, he hasn't said that.
Provide some sources and data to back that statement up, please.
Fake how? Fraud how?
He hasn't been preaching the Gospel of the love of Jesus Christ, and modeling Christ consistently for the last 60 or so years?
On what do you base such an extreme accusation of Rev. Graham?
"He hasn't been preaching the Gospel of the love of Jesus Christ, and modeling Christ consistently for the last 60 or so years?
On what do you base such an extreme accusation of Rev. Graham?"
You really think promoting bjclinton as a good preacher is from Christ????
I got a news flash for you it is not Biblical and there is nothing Christian about it. I am no preacher promoting my ministry but little common me could teach Christ according to Christ better than the Rev. Christ was so loved look what they did to him, and to teach the REAL Christ the way Christ taught would get the same results to one today.
"I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost--were going to hell. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God--through nature, for instance." (McCall Magazine Jan. 1987).
"I respect other paths to God," (Billy Graham, Parade Magazine, Oct 20th 1996)
Graham interview with Robert Schuller, May 31 1997:
"I've met people in various parts of the world...that have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God. So, there you have it. The world's most famous evangelist teaches that no one needs Jesus to be saved and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. They're already members of the Body of Christ whether they know it or not! All they have to do is believe in a God."
posts 24 and 25
Indeed. Romans 1 says all are guilty before God because even the trees cry out that God exists.
However, Jesus is the only way to salvation because he is the only mediator. Graham apparently no longer believes that.
And, oh yes, as Creator, Christ existed long before the manger. The pygmy in darkest continent may not know of His sacrifice...or even His name....but that doesn't mean God can't reveal Himself to that one....just as He did to Abraham, Isaiah, Joshua - long before His incarnation.
Sure he does....and his words don't contradict that fact that the Lord still saves - even when a bible isn't around. And that fact doesn't negate Jesus who is God.
You are wrong. Orthodox Christianity does not say God is enough.
You have to trust in Christ as the atoning sacrifice for your sins.
If all you believe in is God, there is no way for you to be made right with God. All you have is a belief.
Now, before Christ, faith was accounted to them as righteousness, but now, Jesus is the only way. And yes, I recognize the divinity of Christ and that he existed from eternity.
But, you can only be saved by belief in Jesus Christ at this point in history.
Faith in WHO was accounted to them as righteousness? Messiah. Abraham trusted Messiah....just as we do today. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever - from Genesis to Revelation.....One God. And He still saves whom He will.
Graham created an abomination of a commercial for the Clintons use in upcoming elections.
You have to know Graham is going to croak just before the 2008 election and the Clinton's will run what he said like a dying wish.
True.
However, are you saying that a Hindu is going to heaven?
After all, they believe in a god. But, not the true God.
I heard Graham utter this line with my own ears. There was a decided change in his voice and it was obviously a sardonic comment. I had no doubt in my mind at that time.
Additionally, those who hear about and reject Jesus Christ are lost. Those who never hear about Jesus Christ will be judged according to the truth of Jesus, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Many came to an acceptable knowledge of God through faith by a pre-law type faith. I assume others in the same situation can do the same. I would count Melchizadek, Abraham, Lot, Jethro, Job, and others among that group. Others don't make the same assumption that I do. But, in the long run it is left up to a just God, isn't it? I have nothing to fear with God in charge. All we be right and according to righteousness.
The Good News is that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, and that he was seen alive by eyewitnesses. Those who believe in him are passed immediately from death unto life. What a glorious promise!
While in the past God frowned on the ignorances of Godless man, he has now set a day whereby he will judge the world through the man he has raised from the dead.
How shall they hear with a preacher? Faith comes by hearing; and hearing by the word of God.
A god (or gods) is not the One True God.
As for Graham, I didn't hear it, but place more blame and shame on those who would use an aged man as a prop. And, I certainly don't accept that Graham is a heretic and doomed to hell.
As I said, Graham's posture/demeanor/voice was dripping with irony as he said it.
There was a gentlemanly politeness about him -- which he has always had -- but he got across to me that I should read between the lines.
Additionally, the article's claim that those few lines constituted some kind of endorsement is way off base. At their best they were intended purely as humor. At their worst, they were the ironic OPPOSITE of an endorsement.
Franklin said his Dad said it in jest, and there is no reason to believe that Franklin would lie.
But he didn't do that.
When you're making rash accusations, it's important to stick with the facts.
Christians don't bear false witness to make a point.
I have no idea how accurate those quotes are, nor if they were in a context that changed their meaning.
Nothing I have ever heard Billy Graham say indicates that he believes 'all roads lead to heaven.'
I have seen that he has said that his call was not to preach judgement, but rather love. I have no problem with that.
While I strongly disagreed with what Billy Graham said in the 90's, I don't condemn him for all eternity for it, nor do I make the absurd leap to saying he approves of rape because of anything he has ever said.
And I don't disparage the Christianity of those who disagree with me about it either. You're free to make whatever judgements you want to about this man of faith, but I have seen a consistency and the Fruit of the Spirit in him, and observed over the years what he has done in obedience to Christ to further God's Kingdom. (And, to tell the truth, I don't even know if you're actually a Christian).
So, until you make a rational statement of fact regarding this fine man of God with thousands of stars in his Crown, I think this conversation is over......
On another thread you called Rick Warren a BAD MAN.
Frankly RW, by your attitude and your quickness to condemn everyone who disagrees with you as a heretic and a false teacher and a BAD MAN, you're own credentials as a Christian are suspect in my book.
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
(Joh 13:34-35 KJV)
Where's the love, man?
If someone posted my sarcastic statements made in jest as my actual opinions on subjects, who knows what kind of picture that would paint of me.
To Everyone: Lay off Billy! He's pushing 90 and he's done more for the Lord than any of us.
He's finished his last crusade. If just 1% of the people who came to Christ at his crusades were actually saved by the experience, then that is 10,000 times the fruit any of us will ever produce.
Petty Jealousy rears its ugly head again.
I've looked up the quotes and they are being taken out of context.
Nonetheless, they preserve an opinion of Graham's that he gets from the 1st two chapters of Romans. I can see how he arrives at them, and I'm OK with that.
He's finished his last crusade. If just 1% of the people who came to Christ at his crusades were actually saved by the experience, then that is 10,000 times the fruit any of us will ever produce.
Petty Jealousy rears its ugly head again.
Amen and AMEN!
Sickening.
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