Posted on 06/30/2005 9:09:45 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin
Provide some sources and data to back that statement up, please.
Fake how? Fraud how?
He hasn't been preaching the Gospel of the love of Jesus Christ, and modeling Christ consistently for the last 60 or so years?
On what do you base such an extreme accusation of Rev. Graham?
"He hasn't been preaching the Gospel of the love of Jesus Christ, and modeling Christ consistently for the last 60 or so years?
On what do you base such an extreme accusation of Rev. Graham?"
You really think promoting bjclinton as a good preacher is from Christ????
I got a news flash for you it is not Biblical and there is nothing Christian about it. I am no preacher promoting my ministry but little common me could teach Christ according to Christ better than the Rev. Christ was so loved look what they did to him, and to teach the REAL Christ the way Christ taught would get the same results to one today.
"I used to believe that pagans in far-off countries were lost--were going to hell. I no longer believe that. I believe that there are other ways of recognizing the existence of God--through nature, for instance." (McCall Magazine Jan. 1987).
"I respect other paths to God," (Billy Graham, Parade Magazine, Oct 20th 1996)
Graham interview with Robert Schuller, May 31 1997:
"I've met people in various parts of the world...that have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God. So, there you have it. The world's most famous evangelist teaches that no one needs Jesus to be saved and enter the Kingdom of Heaven. They're already members of the Body of Christ whether they know it or not! All they have to do is believe in a God."
posts 24 and 25
Indeed. Romans 1 says all are guilty before God because even the trees cry out that God exists.
However, Jesus is the only way to salvation because he is the only mediator. Graham apparently no longer believes that.
And, oh yes, as Creator, Christ existed long before the manger. The pygmy in darkest continent may not know of His sacrifice...or even His name....but that doesn't mean God can't reveal Himself to that one....just as He did to Abraham, Isaiah, Joshua - long before His incarnation.
Sure he does....and his words don't contradict that fact that the Lord still saves - even when a bible isn't around. And that fact doesn't negate Jesus who is God.
You are wrong. Orthodox Christianity does not say God is enough.
You have to trust in Christ as the atoning sacrifice for your sins.
If all you believe in is God, there is no way for you to be made right with God. All you have is a belief.
Now, before Christ, faith was accounted to them as righteousness, but now, Jesus is the only way. And yes, I recognize the divinity of Christ and that he existed from eternity.
But, you can only be saved by belief in Jesus Christ at this point in history.
Faith in WHO was accounted to them as righteousness? Messiah. Abraham trusted Messiah....just as we do today. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever - from Genesis to Revelation.....One God. And He still saves whom He will.
Graham created an abomination of a commercial for the Clintons use in upcoming elections.
You have to know Graham is going to croak just before the 2008 election and the Clinton's will run what he said like a dying wish.
True.
However, are you saying that a Hindu is going to heaven?
After all, they believe in a god. But, not the true God.
I heard Graham utter this line with my own ears. There was a decided change in his voice and it was obviously a sardonic comment. I had no doubt in my mind at that time.
Additionally, those who hear about and reject Jesus Christ are lost. Those who never hear about Jesus Christ will be judged according to the truth of Jesus, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Many came to an acceptable knowledge of God through faith by a pre-law type faith. I assume others in the same situation can do the same. I would count Melchizadek, Abraham, Lot, Jethro, Job, and others among that group. Others don't make the same assumption that I do. But, in the long run it is left up to a just God, isn't it? I have nothing to fear with God in charge. All we be right and according to righteousness.
The Good News is that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, that he was buried, and that he was seen alive by eyewitnesses. Those who believe in him are passed immediately from death unto life. What a glorious promise!
While in the past God frowned on the ignorances of Godless man, he has now set a day whereby he will judge the world through the man he has raised from the dead.
How shall they hear with a preacher? Faith comes by hearing; and hearing by the word of God.
A god (or gods) is not the One True God.
As for Graham, I didn't hear it, but place more blame and shame on those who would use an aged man as a prop. And, I certainly don't accept that Graham is a heretic and doomed to hell.
As I said, Graham's posture/demeanor/voice was dripping with irony as he said it.
There was a gentlemanly politeness about him -- which he has always had -- but he got across to me that I should read between the lines.
Additionally, the article's claim that those few lines constituted some kind of endorsement is way off base. At their best they were intended purely as humor. At their worst, they were the ironic OPPOSITE of an endorsement.
Franklin said his Dad said it in jest, and there is no reason to believe that Franklin would lie.
But he didn't do that.
When you're making rash accusations, it's important to stick with the facts.
Christians don't bear false witness to make a point.
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