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CHINA PROVIDES TERRORISM'S NEW WEAPON - (better pay attention to this development!!)
YCSI.NET ^ | JULY 14, 2005 | GORDON THOMAS

Posted on 07/15/2005 2:47:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE

The world's Terror Network has been given a new weapon. It can overcome the most stringent of airport and airline security checks. Far more lethal than Semtex, it can be smuggled with virtual impunity from one country to another, one terrorist cell to another.

For the 80 terror groups listed on the computers of the CIA, MI5, MI6 and Germany's BND, the weapon once more tips the scales in their favour. It is a new type of plastic explosive that was used by the two young British radical Muslims in last week's suicide bomb attack on the club in Tel Aviv. Three were killed and 50 injured. One of the suicide bombers escaped, leaving behind some explosive. After a week of intensive investigation by chemists at Israel's ultra-secret research centre in the Tel Aviv suburb of Nes Ziona, its lethal qualities and country of background have been discovered. It was at the centre, in one of the most guarded places on earth, the explosive was analysed behind two-feet thick dun-coloured concrete walls and bombproof sliding doors. The conclusion of the scientists sent a collective shock wave through the intelligence community.

The Israeli experts concluded that the explosives were manufactured in the laboratories of ZDF, one of China's leading military defence contractors. The first hint that China was working on a new type of explosive had come in March, 2001, when a top-ranking Chinese defector, Senior Colonel Xu Junping in the China's People Liberation Army and one of the nation's leading military strategists, had defected to the United States and was personally debriefed by CIA director George Tenet. So important was the debriefing that President Bush had authorised his closest aide, Condoleeza Rice, to sit in.

Over several days Xu detailed the work that was being done to create the explosives in the ZDF laboratories situated some 60km to the west of Beijing. He also detailed how China had secretly been helping rogue states like Iraq, Iran and North Korea. But, most critical of all, he outlined China's contacts with terror groups - through its powerful intelligence services: Military Intelligence Department (MID) and its Science and Technology Department (STD).

Employing some 5,000 field agents and defences analysts, both agencies operate globally. They are supported by satellite surveillance and state-of-the-art equipment. Xu told the CIA that part of the work of the two services was to maintain contact with not only terror groups in the Middle East, but also those in the Philippines, Cambodia and Sri Lanka. But what astonished the CIA was Xu's revelations of Chinese intelligence contacts in Colombia with FARC, in Spain with ETA, in Peru with Shining Path.

In the past year, MI5 have also picked up hints that Chinese agents have had contacts with extreme Islamic groups in London and the East Midlands. M J Gohel, a terrorism and security expert with the prestigious Asia-Pacific Foundation in London, said there was an "urgent need to grasp the reality of the situation".

Now, two years after Xu's revelation, intelligence services are bracing themselves to confront this latest weapon of choice for terrorists. The Chinese explosive is so sophisticated it even escaped detection by Israel's ultra-vigilant border controls. Mossad has now established that the two British suicide bombers smuggled in their explosive from Jordan. It had arrived there from Pakistan - whose intelligence service has had long and close links to China's.

CIA agents have established that, in the wake of the September 11 attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, it was from Pakistan that Osama bin Laden made three separate visits to Beijing. Each time he was accompanied by China's Ambassador to that country and the head of Pakistan's powerful and many-tentacled intelligence service, PIS. Bin Laden made those visits to Beijing prior to the 9/11 attacks. He had gone to organise a defence contract for the Taliban worth $1 billion.

"We now believe that during those visits he was appraised of the progress with the new explosives", said a senior Mossad source in Tel Aviv. He agreed there "is a very strong possibility" that al Quaeda had been provided with a quantity of the explosive - a tiny portion of which had been given to the two British suicide bombers. "Following the attack in Tel Aviv, airports and airlines around the world are urgently looking at security again. This takes terrorism into a new dimension", an MI5 source said in London. Already Israeli military censors have placed a news blackout on all local media reporting any details about the new explosive. But speaking under a guarantee of anonymity, one source did say that the "explosive is far lighter and easier to conceal than previous kinds. It makes Semtex look outdated. This has tipped the scale back in favour of the terrorist".

Gordon Thomas is the author of Mossad: La Historia Secreta (Ediciones-B).


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1 posted on 07/15/2005 2:47:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Doing China's dirty work for it....


2 posted on 07/15/2005 2:49:51 PM PDT by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: Cicero; Critical Bill; Leapfrog; CBart95; operation clinton cleanup; sageb1; Smartass; ...
You have to wonder just what the liberal reaction to this news might be, considering how accommodating the Clinton co-presidents were, to their pals, the Chinese.

Char

3 posted on 07/15/2005 2:50:06 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE

I've been saying for quite a while that China is an obvious sponsor of terrorism... this doesn't surprise me in the least, not after all the dead jihadis we've found with Chinese-made AK-47s.


4 posted on 07/15/2005 2:50:24 PM PDT by thoughtomator (For all you love to survive, Islam must be destroyed.)
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To: CHARLITE

I think it would be justifiable to declare war against the PRC. Will it happen? Probably not. But it would be RIGHT!


5 posted on 07/15/2005 2:50:28 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: CHARLITE

I thought they had determined that the terrorists had used TATP?


6 posted on 07/15/2005 2:50:45 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Jeff Head

I recommend checking this out. Also, if you or anyone knows how to get a hold of Bodansky, I think he'd appreciate this.


7 posted on 07/15/2005 2:51:40 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: thoughtomator

Chinese AKs are worldwide, and virtually ubiquitous. Their presence hardly qualifies as support or endorsement.


8 posted on 07/15/2005 2:51:46 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: CarrotAndStick; swarthyguy; Saberwielder

CCP - ISI - Brit jihadi conspiracy?


9 posted on 07/15/2005 2:52:52 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Little Pig

Don't let the facts get in the way! ;-)


10 posted on 07/15/2005 2:53:00 PM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Little Pig

Large quantities of new weapons should at least raise suspicions.


11 posted on 07/15/2005 2:53:33 PM PDT by thoughtomator (For all you love to survive, Islam must be destroyed.)
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To: CHARLITE

bttt


12 posted on 07/15/2005 2:56:04 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: thoughtomator
"But what astonished the CIA was Xu's revelations of Chinese intelligence contacts in Colombia with FARC, in Spain with ETA, in Peru with Shining Path."

If this is true, that the CIA was astonished by this, then we are doomed, completely and utterly.

13 posted on 07/15/2005 2:56:22 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: All

Suicide bomb on a club in Tel Aviv? There wasn't one..there was an attack outside a mall in Netanya...when is this article from? Something's wrong...


14 posted on 07/15/2005 2:56:45 PM PDT by sofaman
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To: Little Pig
I thought they had determined that the terrorists had used TATP?

That is so for the London terrorists. This is about the bombing in Tel Aviv.

15 posted on 07/15/2005 2:59:08 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: CHARLITE

Where's everybody been?


16 posted on 07/15/2005 2:59:33 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community.)
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To: Enterprise

That is scary.


17 posted on 07/15/2005 2:59:34 PM PDT by newconhere
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To: Normal4me
Don't let the facts get in the way!

I believe they are referring to the Tel Aviv bombing and I had not heard any determination about the explosive used there, although there could have been and I missed hearing about it.

18 posted on 07/15/2005 3:00:27 PM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: thoughtomator

Nah, the Chinese sell these things by the CONEX-load to any two-bit warlord with a little spare cash. Even new ones are ultra-common everywhere, including here in the states. Remember, even the semi-autos will still kill you, and most people aren't savvy enough to tell the difference between a full-auto and a semi-auto without close examination. When you start seeing more expensive stuff, like man-portable missiles, explosives, crew-served weapons etc, then I'll be worried.


19 posted on 07/15/2005 3:00:59 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Enterprise

No kidding.
I've been screaming about this since the impeachment.

The Chinese bought victory years ago.


20 posted on 07/15/2005 3:02:32 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community.)
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To: CHARLITE

In light of this:

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/bodansky/axis.htm

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/bodansky/beijing.htm

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Yossef_Bodansky

Enjoy (?) ....


21 posted on 07/15/2005 3:02:44 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Bahbah

Oops, sorry.


22 posted on 07/15/2005 3:03:16 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Jeff Head; TigerLikesRooster; Tailgunner Joe; CarrotAndStick; Gengis Khan; Srirangan; ...

ping!


23 posted on 07/15/2005 3:05:13 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: CHARLITE

Gore and the Clinton co-Presidents gave China missile and rocket technology for donations so the communist Chinese could bomb with accuracy every city in the USA.

Before they would get lucky if they could accidently reach Alaska.


24 posted on 07/15/2005 3:06:01 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: CHARLITE

Bookmark.


25 posted on 07/15/2005 3:07:36 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: CHARLITE
".... considering how accommodating the Clinton co-presidents were, to their pals, the Chinese."

The Clintons probably sold the Chinese the formula for this explosive.

26 posted on 07/15/2005 3:07:52 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: CHARLITE

CHICOM B@stards!


27 posted on 07/15/2005 3:08:18 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound ("Sat Cong!" no matter who, where or when.)
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To: CHARLITE

28 posted on 07/15/2005 3:10:22 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: CHARLITE
With China now running the Panama Canal and having the world's
largest container port and cargo airport just off our shores..with its latest connections with Cuba,South and Latin America who has also cozied up to Al-Qaeda...we are pretty much surrounded...

Add to the mix the Narco Terrorists,MS-13 and SU-13 smuggling them across our open borders...

Bout time we started thinking about the protection our own borders instead of foreigners..

imo
29 posted on 07/15/2005 3:10:39 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Does the Red Crescent have falafel dollies?)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com; newconhere

Not trying to be too glib here, but I'm astonished that the CIA is astonished by the interaction between China and terror groups worldwide. The American people have been cheated.


30 posted on 07/15/2005 3:14:10 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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To: joesnuffy
Bout time we started thinking about the protection our own borders instead of foreigners..

Those in control should have figured this out long ago.

31 posted on 07/15/2005 3:21:18 PM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: joesnuffy

Geez. That is scary. As a matter of fact this thread is a little much for me this afternoon. I think it time for a very large glass of WINE


32 posted on 07/15/2005 3:26:33 PM PDT by newconhere
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To: Enterprise

The dominant faction at the company are still largely made up of old timers from the Nixon - Ford - Carter era and their "offspring" from the Slick era. They really resent the climate of the 9/12 world. They are so 9/10!


33 posted on 07/15/2005 3:28:31 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: CHARLITE

There's no way to verify how much of this is true and to what extent this information is exagerrated. These commerical terror analysts spew out a lot of falsehoods that sell well to the public. To some extent, this could just be Gordon Thomas paying his bills.


34 posted on 07/15/2005 3:28:53 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Hey John Kerry...we don't do this just for "entertainment.")
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To: GOP_1900AD

...I think it would be justifiable to declare war against the PRC. Will it happen? Probably not. But it would be RIGHT!..

Well... If you look the situation from China's point of you.
It is developing and fast.
Only the US can stop its further development... And the time comes when almost 1.5 milliard people needs more oil... and a lot more !!!

China looks for assurances that the US wont monopolise the world markets, especially not the oil...

The nuclear technology is expensive and too complicated, and the US nuclear defense is pretty good.

But in any case if things do getting ugly there is always few kilo of this new high tech expolsive ready to some (or all of them) terrorist cells who wants to do harm to the US or its interests.

If the news hits the media that 50 kilo of this is in terrorosts hands that can have the same economical impact as one or more real bomb goning off.

So that's why I dont think it is a good idea to attack China.


35 posted on 07/15/2005 3:31:05 PM PDT by bozot
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To: bozot

Do you want to win the war on terror, or continue making excuses for "why they hate us?"


36 posted on 07/15/2005 3:32:58 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: b4its2late
I am unsure what you mean by asking this question? Why would "liberals" respond to news that China is spreading material/technology that could be used to make bombs any differently than conservatives? Moreover, while the Clinton administration was deeply flawed and easily criticizable, there policies toward China were not significantly different than the current administration. Just because we don't like the Clinton administration doesn't mean we should make up stories about its policies toward China. Reality should factor in at some point don't you think.
37 posted on 07/15/2005 3:33:43 PM PDT by traditconservative
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To: Enterprise; All
If this is true, that the CIA was astonished by this, then we are doomed, completely and utterly.

Profound words my FRiend.

If you would be most gracious in a FR manner and not take up too much bandwidth, could you explain your reasoning as to why we would all be doomed?

38 posted on 07/15/2005 3:34:30 PM PDT by EGPWS
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To: traditconservative
" Moreover, while the Clinton administration was deeply flawed and easily criticizable, there policies toward China were not significantly different than the current administration."

Baloney. Clinton put the Commerce Dept. in charge of licensing technology exports to China, which lead to the sale of all kinds of weapons technology to the Chicoms. Bush transferred authority for the review of export licenses back to the DOD so that sensitive weapons technology is no longer sold to China. You need to read up on the Chinagate scandal.

39 posted on 07/15/2005 3:39:48 PM PDT by carl in alaska (Hey John Kerry...we don't do this just for "entertainment.")
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To: b4its2late

...and China blustering about using nukes to keep us from helping out Tiawan. Yes boys and girls, the 4th Generation Warfare is coming to a land near you.

Yet there are those corporate and government types that want to strengthen our ties with China. The only thing that is strengthening is China's military.

Not good for the home team.


40 posted on 07/15/2005 3:51:06 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (Hayden, Hopkins, Edwards, and Roberts Jr; the most daring pro-American athletes you never heard of.)
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To: GOP_1900AD; Jeff Head; nothingnew; King Prout; Blurblogger; SmithL; bitt; Eastbound; Marauder; ...
" if you or anyone knows how to get a hold of Bodansky, I think he'd appreciate this."

Actually, I've been wondering where he went, and particularly where Dr. Khadir Hamza disappeared to. He was all over Fox, CNN, MSNBC and many talk shows (Larry Elder etc.) before we went into Iraq. Dr. Hamza was presented as an authority on exactly how severe the threat of Saddam's WMD and nuclear program was. He posited that Saddam would have operational nukes "within the next 5 years."

Once the war got underway, and the WMDs which we knew had been there, were gone, Dr. Hamza was also gone. Can anyone explain that? Where is this pre-war expert?

Char............and why was this post dumped down into Bloggers & Personal, when I posted it on News/Activism? Can anyone explain that to me? This article isn't a blog; nor is the author a "blogger." It is a serious, very important article, and should be seen by the widest number of readers here!

Char

41 posted on 07/15/2005 3:52:13 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: GOP_1900AD

"I think it would be justifiable to declare war against the PRC. Will it happen? Probably not. But it would be RIGHT!"

Oh come on...you know we can't do that!! We have to get our cheap products for Wal Mart!!!


42 posted on 07/15/2005 3:52:30 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (FAKE conservatism is more dangerous than liberalism <<<---at least you know what you're gonna get!)
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To: traditconservative

Welcome to Free Republic.


43 posted on 07/15/2005 3:58:06 PM PDT by snowsislander
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To: GOP_1900AD

...or continue making excuses for "why they hate us?"...

If you do not understand the answer to this question you never win the war on terror.

I guess there is a point when it need a minute to stop and think about how many people are we willing to kill because they do not agree with the current single superpower configuration.

Ok, there are countries like Afganistan or Iraq who's leaders were out of line...
But keeping extending the nuber of our enemies instead of making smarter diplomacy looks counterproductive.

Most of the Eu lost as friends, Rusia ganging up with China on the US, Iran getting its nuclear power anyway, Korea ditto and south America looks less and less friendly too...

And we face this with our new allies like Albania and Uzbekistan...

Is it sure that the USA wants to be a leader ... for countries like these ?


44 posted on 07/15/2005 4:04:22 PM PDT by bozot
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To: snowsislander

is that ozone I smell?


45 posted on 07/15/2005 4:14:05 PM PDT by snuffy smiff ("the theory of Communism may be summed up in a single sentence:abolition of private property"-K.Marx)
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To: bozot

Go back to DU.


46 posted on 07/15/2005 4:36:51 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

LOL! ...


47 posted on 07/15/2005 4:39:06 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: traditconservative

No, I'm saying the Chinese are probably supplying the terrorists with the explosive to destabilize western nations. The terror guys will do the dirty work so the Chinese can continue on their path while we're busy fighting terror and not concentrating on what they are doing elsewhere and within their own military buildup.


48 posted on 07/15/2005 5:09:17 PM PDT by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: Enterprise

Well, they were utterly taken aback when the wall came down and Gorbachev resigned too.

Never saw it coming, the vapant, danely curs.


49 posted on 07/15/2005 5:17:59 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Google search North American Community.)
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To: EGPWS
"could you explain your reasoning as to why we would all be doomed?"

Simply, if the CIA has not figured out within the last 20 or so years that China has been involved with terrorist organizations on a world wide basis, I honestly question what else they don't know, as by now, they are years behind. As for being doomed, get back to me in twenty years, and if I'm wrong, I'll barbeque and eat the crow myself.

50 posted on 07/15/2005 7:30:03 PM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
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