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To: FraudFactor.com
Did you like it primarily for the special effects? There was not much of a plot and it had an anticlimax ending.

I enjoyed it overall, with some qualifications, but I really liked the ending, which was accurate to the book. It breaks the "rules" of drama, but it speaks to the theme of the book, and I thought it was oddly appropriate in this time of debate about religion. Think about it, the ending is basically God watching mankind almost be vnaquished and then calling the fight. ;)

I thought the early special effects looked jerky, but there were some good special effects later. I thought Terminator 1 and 2 and the Lord of the Rings were superior "chase" movies.

I liked all of them to varying degrees. I also think Terminator 3 was an adequate follow-up, and in fact had a very brave ending in that it pushed the series to the point of no return and dealt with the idea that the machine takeover was inevitable.

In the industry, this falls under the subject of "voluntary suspension of disbelief" on the part of the audience. When a movie contains too many or too extreme logical holes and inconsistencies, it is more difficult for the audience to engage in voluntary suspension of disbelief, resulting in distraction from the plot and a lower quality of entertainment.

Yeah, it's a basic concept, but there's no fast and loose rule. Certain movies are "realistic" and strain credulity, and it's not like there's a one-size-fits-all standard. Movies some folks love I find ridiculous; movies others hate I love because for all their flaws they have value.

It should be illegal. However, the owner of a chain of movie theaters told me some time in the mid-1990's that he had to buy (i.e., rent) blocks of movie prints, including the bad movies, to get the good movies. I assumed there have been no legal changes since then, which may be incorrect.

Again, it depends on how you look at it. You have to buy books you don't think are gonna be hits--midlist books--to fill out your shelves so you don't just sell Harry Potter. Same for movies.

He did not state the specific details, such as the method that was used to impose this scheme on theater operators. Perhaps the scheme is imposed through the price structure and "discounts" for buying the suggested blocks of movies.

Yep, and there's nothing illegal or unethical about it, IMHO.

I believe the cost to rent a movie print includes some fixed price plus some amount per ticket sold. I don't know if it includes a percentage of profit from concessions sold.

If you check out your favorite movie house's profit statements you often find they are listed as food vendors, because that's where their $$ comes from. To the best of my knowledge no movie studio gets a cut of that; if they wanted a cut I imagine they'd just jigger with the amount they take from the rentals.

"movies still get pulled from theaters if they're not selling tix" I have sat in movie theaters that had an audience with only six to ten people including myself. Perhaps they were waiting until the particular day of the week when they change their movie schedule, but this has happened a number of times, usually after the movie has been in the theaters for a while.

Sure, that's expected for the reasons you say. You have to remember that outside of the weekends, the theaters have to survive and pay their employees, give them 40 hours or whatever a week, etc. Twenty years or more ago, a movie like Star Wars was in theaters for one solid year. Now they have these massive theaters and can show the same movie a half dozen times, then cut back as the crowds thin out. Movies simply don't last as long, which means they have to get as many shows in EARLY as possible, but then what do you do? You can't show nothing during the week when fewer people are going. And there aren't that many Star Wars movies showing. But if you have 10 people in there, that's ten people buying your food that you wouldn't have if you showed nothing, and you were obliged to keep the movie there because the movie company agreed to spend X amount of money on advertising, tie-ins, etc. If the studio is spending an agreed-upon amount on ads, you're obliged to have the movie THERE for the potential audience.

Nice chatting with you!

47 posted on 07/19/2005 8:01:22 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Dean won't call Osama guilty without a trial, but DeLay and Rove should be in jail)
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To: Darkwolf377
Thank you for the excellent information.

Very nice chatting with you too!

"If you check out your favorite movie house's profit statements you often find they are listed as food vendors, because that's where their $$ comes from."

The owner of the chain of movie theaters also told me that without the food concession sales, the theaters could not remain in business, due to the overhead costs including the movie print rental costs.

51 posted on 07/19/2005 8:29:48 PM PDT by FraudFactor.com (Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering and achieve more honest and responsive government)
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To: Darkwolf377

It is interesting how the ending can be viewed as leftists anti-military/anti-defense propoganda, or, as you suggest, a favorable religious message. I believe Hollywood intends for this to be an act by "Mother Nature" from an atheist point of view.

I suppose an ideal movie would be crafted in a way that allows each member of the audience to interpret it in a way they find favorable. This might be analogous to the famous Mona Lisa painting staring back at you from any angle that you gaze upon it.



Mona Lisa


52 posted on 07/19/2005 8:42:28 PM PDT by FraudFactor.com (Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering and achieve more honest and responsive government)
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To: Darkwolf377
The problem I had with Terminator 3 was I felt cheated, because I expected that movie to be the last in the series - the War Against the Machines.

Instead, there was the long chase like in the previous two movies, but all the while I was waiting to see the War Against the Machines. Then in the end, I realized the producers strung me on for another movie.

This is how I felt watching the second Matrix movie (Matrix Reloaded (Unloaded), except that Terminator 3 was a good chase movie if you were not expecting to See the War Against the Machines.

BTW, I found it somewhat difficult to engage in voluntary suspension of disbelief with regards to the liquid metal terminator in Terminator 2. I had to force myself to pretend it could be possible, and then I really enjoyed the movie. Of course, the great special effects helped.

61 posted on 07/19/2005 11:31:59 PM PDT by FraudFactor.com (Support redistricting reform to end gerrymandering and achieve more honest and responsive government)
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