Darwin Among the Believers (theory of evolution crucial for many fields)

Tech Central Station ^ | 07/22/2005 | Frederick Turner

[mlc9852]

Why is it when evolution is discussed, the subject of God always comes up? It doesn't come up when discussing calculus, geology, astrophysics, or any other scientific discipline. Why?

[nmh]

"The angry evolutionists were especially interesting, as they often wound up admitting implicitly that their real agenda was atheism -- while denying that there was any social policy message in that agenda."

It doesn't matter how many faulty measuring tools used for dating. It doesn't matter how many atheists and ignorant polly parrots echo evolution ... it doesn't make it so. Truth is not dependent on numbers of people believing it. The evidence of God is obvious to all that wish to see it. Either you believe an unlimited God who can do anything, as stated in the Bible or you believe limited man who denies Him with a diametrically opposing theory. There is NO middle ground or compromise when it comes to truth. Compromised truth is NO longer truth.

[cyborg]

I don't believe in evolution. Understanding the theory is crucial, not the belief. I still had to learn it to pass college biology but no prof is going to convince me I'm descended from a chimp.

[nmh]

Because God creates. Man doesn't "create". Man uses to "create" what God already gave to us for a resource. Calculus is just a measuring tool - it is not an explanation of how the earth started or life.

Christianity is a religion and so is atheism and that is part of the underlying argument - on creation. ONLY God creates.

[Junior]

Pingaling.

[JamesP81]

I have heard it said, by an engineer, no less, that if a genetic mutation occurred every nanosecond for the past 4 billion years that there still would not have been enough time for humanity to evolve from single cell organisms.

True? I don't know. But I know enough that the idea that evolution is somehow a proven fact is nearly as laughable as stating that the Earth orbits the moon. Mathematically, since all things in the universe are relative, this can be shown, but that doesn't make it so.

[Luddite Patent Counsel]

That argument has already happened. Read some Aquinas.

[orionblamblam]

> Either you believe an unlimited God who can do anything, as stated in the Bible or you believe limited man who denies Him with a diametrically opposing theory.

OK. So, the moon remains in orbit about the Earth not because of the interplay between gravity and inertia, but because God is running it around on a little track. And any variation from that view is a limited Man-centric view that denies God.

[orionblamblam]

> Why is it when evolution is discussed, the subject of God always comes up?

Not "always." Only when evolution is discussed by people who don't understand the theory and the overwhelming evidence for it, but who do have a religion-based opposing view.

[mrjeff]

This article is complete nonsense; riddled with logical errors. I wrote an extensive post on my blog about it.

[sirchtruth]

Why is it when evolution is discussed, the subject of God always comes up? It doesn't come up when discussing calculus, geology, astrophysics, or any other scientific discipline. Why?

Because Evos believe LIFE just happens by chance and the RIGHT circumstances. From evidence evos observe they concluded that life came into existance and progresses a certain way as a scientific theory. Creationist believe GOD creates life.

God enters into the debate because evolution is not FACT.

[orionblamblam]

> True?

Nope. What this "engineer" of yours is positing is going straight from amino acids to the human DNA strand all in one jump. *That* is statistically virtually impossible. But that's not what happened, anymore than a redwood grows from a seed to a 200-foot-tall behemoth without passing 100 feet on the way.

[Rifleman]

"I still had to learn it to pass college biology but no prof is going to convince me I'm descended from a chimp."


If that was your understanding of evolution then you should not have passed.

[cyborg]

My belief in God and the Bible trumps questionable scientific theories. I am just stating my opinion. Thanks :-)

[Physicist]

Why is it when evolution is discussed, the subject of God always comes up? It doesn't come up when discussing calculus, geology, astrophysics, or any other scientific discipline. Why?

Well, it does come up in a branch of astrophysics, cosmology, and for the same reason. Evolution and cosmology reach conclusions that conflict with certain specific statements in the Bible, and a subset of Christians find this unacceptable.

[Physicist]

find=finds

[Stark_GOP]

"OK. So, the moon remains in orbit about the Earth not because of the interplay between gravity and inertia, but because God is running it around on a little track. And any variation from that view is a limited Man-centric view that denies God."
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Gravity and inertia are the "tools" that God has decided to use to keep it running on its "little track".
:)

[Stark_GOP]

"I still had to learn it to pass college biology but no prof is going to convince me I'm descended from a chimp."


If that was your understanding of evolution then you should not have passed.
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If that is YOUR understanding of education then you should not have passed.
Have YOU agreed with everything your teachers have said?

[Rifleman]

I think that you misunderstood.

Evolutionary theory in no way suggests that you evolved from chimps. Believe what you want, but if you demonstrate such a fundimental misimpression as that it becomes impossible to take your arguments seriously.

Personally, I find the fact that the laws of nature have produced the beautiful complexity of life and a creature that can know itself and the universe, to be a very interesting argument for a creator god who set the rules to allow this.