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Utah Ravers Meet Police State
Deadline Live Forum ^ | Aug 22, 2005 | Various

Posted on 08/22/2005 10:45:56 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill

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Look at the video to see what appears to be soldiers in camo and masks areaking havoc on kids at a legal rave party.

They had all of the permits, insurance and were raided by these goons.

This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event.

They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!

1 posted on 08/22/2005 10:45:56 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill
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This just makes me sick to my stomach. Who/what was behind this raid? Insanity.


2 posted on 08/22/2005 10:57:19 AM PDT by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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Who were the guys in camo...?


3 posted on 08/22/2005 11:01:37 AM PDT by freebilly (Go Manitowoc Bandits!)
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They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.

They likely were holding drugs, and I would bet the najority of the attendees were on drugs. Raves are cesspools. If this is for real, looks like a DEA raid to me.

4 posted on 08/22/2005 11:02:27 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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Our founding fathers knew that keeping people from getting high was the most critical aspect of our new country. That's why they made the entire Bill of Rights disposable if drugs are involved.

Oh, wait. No they didn't.
5 posted on 08/22/2005 11:03:52 AM PDT by mysterio
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What is that? SWAT? They look military but there's no legal basis for the military doing this sort of thing.

IMO, these people should get a lawyer and sue the bejeezus out of whoever authorized this, if it went down the way it's being described. If there was no warrant, a permit was in place, and all of the legal requirements had been taken care of, then this is a pure and simple case of police harassment. Sue them into oblivion.
6 posted on 08/22/2005 11:07:12 AM PDT by Arthalion
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Shouldn't they use these resources to catch illegal immigrants, potential terrorists, criminals, etc.?


7 posted on 08/22/2005 11:07:30 AM PDT by Kurt_D
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This was a legal gathering. There is absolutely no excuse for paramilitary action.


8 posted on 08/22/2005 11:08:14 AM PDT by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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They likely were holding drugs, and I would bet the najority of the attendees were on drugs.

That's funny...I don't see the JBTs raiding a Rolling Stones conert.

9 posted on 08/22/2005 11:09:41 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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As there is nothing to go on here other than a bulletin board posting how do you know it was legal? If there was a strong suspicion of major drug trafficking w/ violent offenders, you betcha they would send in the bad boys of the DEA.

Im willing to bet the reasons for a rave getting raided are not for loud music alone.


10 posted on 08/22/2005 11:11:07 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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Shouldn't they use these resources to catch illegal immigrants, potential terrorists, criminals, etc.?

That makes a lot of sense to me.

I guess it's easier and safer to bust a bunch of high teenagers and young adults.

11 posted on 08/22/2005 11:11:42 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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That's funny...I don't see the JBTs raiding a Rolling Stones conert.

Rolling Stone concert goers are too busy with their Blackberries trading office e-mail to be doing drugs.

12 posted on 08/22/2005 11:12:34 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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Unless there's evidence to support the raid, then those arguments are legally baseless. I attended raves when I was in high school and college, and am fully aware that there are often drugs present, but I'm also aware that I attended MANY raves where no drugs were seen anywhere.

If law enforcement can raid our private property and break up a legal gathering without a warrant simply because they THINK that we MIGHT have drugs, then we may as well burn the Constitution now. I have no problem with police raiding genuine drug dens, but without investigation and a judges signed warrant there's no valid excuse for this sort of thing. If the event was making a concerted effort to remain drug free and they actually arrested the GUARDS who were searching people, then this crosses the line into pure harassment and police abuse of power.


13 posted on 08/22/2005 11:13:39 AM PDT by Arthalion
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http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=7391@kutv.dayport.com">http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=7391@kutv.dayport.com

news video, 60 arrests,one for assaulting an officer, it was unpermitted. Loads of drugs, and one gun seized.


14 posted on 08/22/2005 11:17:12 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: ActionNewsBill

"That's funny...I don't see the JBTs raiding a Rolling Stones conert."

They know better than to piss off AARP.


15 posted on 08/22/2005 11:22:04 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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http://kutv.com/localbriefs#story4

Police Raid Rave
(Undated) -- A 17-year-old West Jordan girl overdosed on Ecstasy and about 60 other people were arrested Saturday night when officers raided an illegal rave in the Spanish Fork Canyons. "The Salt Lake Tribune" says, those who were arrested were cited on a variety of charges including possession of illegal narcotics, drug distribution, weapons violations, DUI, illegal consumption of alcohol by a minor, disorderly conduct, and assaulting a police officer. Though illegal raves have become a growing problem in Utah County, many who attended that rave thought the police over-reacted.<


16 posted on 08/22/2005 11:24:29 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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http://www.sltrib.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?article=2961967

Article Last Updated: 8/22/2005 12:05 AM


Police raid rave party in Spanish Fork Canyon
Party's over: 90 officers from several agencies cite 60 at the event, which had more than 400 people in attendance
By Michael N. Westley
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune

About 60 people were arrested Saturday night when police officers busted an illegal rave in Spanish Fork Canyon.

Those arrested were cited on a variety of charges including the possession of illegal narcotics, weapons violations, DUI, illegal consumption of alcohol by a minor, disorderly conduct, assaulting a police officer and drug distribution.

The youngest of those cited was 15 years old, said Utah County Sheriff's Sgt. Dan Gilbert.

Police in Utah County have monitored several raves this summer and have grown increasingly concerned about their legality and safety, Gilbert said. When detectives got word that another party was planned for Saturday, they set to work to make sure they got their point across that such activity was not welcome in their area.

"The Sheriff's Office will investigate and look into and find an illegal mass gathering going on, we will take the appropriate action to stop the party at that time," Gilbert said.

Investigators learned that no permit had been requested for a mass gathering which requires a bond and Utah County Commission approval for groups larger than 250, said Gilbert. Police learned around noon Saturday that the rave would be held in the Diamond Fork area of Spanish Fork Canyon and assembled about 90 officers from several agencies to enforce crowd control.

Undercover officers filtered into the party when the doors opened about 9 p.m. By 11:30 p.m. police confirmed that more than 250 people were in attendance and stormed the party. During their two hours at the DJ-driven dance party, undercover officers had observed a multitude of illegal activities including the sale and consumption of drugs such as cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol, methamphetamine and marijuana.

"The sale of drugs at these parties is so prevalent that at this particular rave party, drugs were offered to local off-duty emergency medical service personnel who were contracted to be there," Gilbert said.

A 17-year-old West Jordan girl overdosed on ecstasy, police said. Most of the participants were between 15 and 30 years old and were from Spanish Fork, Springville, Provo, Payson, as well as Davis and Salt Lake counties, Gilbert said. Two security guards hired by the promotor were arrested for the possession of cocaine and ecstasy and Spanish Fork police made two DUI arrests as partyers drove out of the canyon, he said.

Most of the 400 or so ravers left peacefully.

But others were detained if they had been seen doing something illegal or showed visible signs of impairment, said Gilbert.

In a sweep of the area after the crowd had been controlled, which one raver said was executed with unnecessary force, police found a plethora of drugs and drug paraphernalia scattered on the ground, Gilbert said.

Brett George told Fox News 13 that officers stormed the party and treated attendees unfairly, including beating one man that was trying to film the bust with a video camera.

Police want parents of teenagers to know the dangers of illegal, clandestine rave parties. Gilbert said that in addition to heavy drug use, raves attract sexual assaults, violence, theft and promote unsafe driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol.


17 posted on 08/22/2005 11:27:11 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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So the cops say there were no permits, and that they went to the event undercover and observed lawbreaking. What exactly is the objection to this on the thread here? Do we know the cops are wrong about the permit issue? No, not yet anyway! Do we believe that the police should be barred from observing a *public* gathering where there are hundreds of people in attendance? I don't! If it was my 17-year-old daughter who was attending a public, commercial event (whether held in a canyon or an arena) and the cops sent someone by to check it out, and serious lawbreaking was observed, and they shut the party down, and in the process found my daughter OD-ing, treated her and brought her safely home to her family, I'd buy the jackbooted thugs a big box of doughnuts. I would not be sitting here trashing them on-line. The bottom line here is that it was a public event and the authorities are responsible for public safety. They expected drug use (Rave! Duh!) and found it. Get off their backs.

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600157703,00.html

PROVO (AP) —

The arrests Saturday night were for weapons offenses, driving under the influence, underage drinking, drug possession and distribution, resisting arrest, assault on a police officer and disorderly conduct, Utah County sheriff's Sgt. Darren Gilbert said.

Officers found cocaine, Ecstasy, marijuana, mushrooms, alcohol and large amounts of drug paraphernalia, he said.

A 17-year-old West Jordan girl was found overdosed on Ecstasy and was treated and released to her parents, Gilbert said.

He said there were more than 250 people at the party Saturday night. That is the number for which the county requires a permit, bond and county commission approval. Gilbert said Saturday's party did not have that approval.

Gilbert said the party began about 9 p.m., and by 10 p.m., Major Crimes had spotted numerous illegal activities, including drug use and distribution and underage drinking.

The law enforcement officers moved in by 11:30 p.m. to disburse the party.

18 posted on 08/22/2005 11:29:49 AM PDT by rogue yam
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They had all of the permits, insurance and were raided by these goons.

Investigators learned that no permit had been requested for a mass gathering

It appears that someone isn't telling the truth about what happened. I guess we will have to wait and see which side is correct.

19 posted on 08/22/2005 11:44:36 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: rogue yam

What we have here are two sets of 'facts'. Until one or the other is proved true, there's no point in having an opinion about whatever happened.


20 posted on 08/22/2005 11:45:29 AM PDT by Grut
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