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Posts From The Move America Forward Caravan Thread (1465713) ^ | August 24, 2005 | Mom of Two Soldiers

Posted on 08/24/2005 2:41:48 PM PDT by HiJinx

What follows are posts from FReeper Mom of Two Soldiers, a Vacaville resident who has quite a bit of background knowledge of events of the last few years vis-a-vis the Sheehan's and Vacaville's response to 9/11.

Post #700

Gary Qualls is not the only one at odds with Sheehan.

We were present at the Vacaville caravan two days ago. From the articles in the Associated Press and in the San Francisco Chronicle, one would have thought there were two different functions.

A head count indicated over sixty individuals were present to meet the caravan.

Anxiously, while the group waited for arrival, there were two families present who were somber and anxious. One from Vallejo and one from Vacaville.

The Vallejo family was the brother of a solider hwo had fallen in Iraq. The Vacaville family was a father of a fallen Marine. On March 23, 2003, Marine Lance Cpl. Michael J. Williams, 31, was killed in action during a firefight around Nasiriyah, Iraq. The Yuma, Ariz., native was reported missing in action March 26 before the military changed his status three days later to killed in action. He was based in Camp Lejeune, N.C., and assigned to the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade. He was engaged to be married and proposed while on a ship in Kuwait, prior to going into battle.

One could tell that the mention of Sheehan brought up emotions for the family members. Hands visibly shook as the father, Joseph Wilson, put a photograph of his son and a folded flag in front of it, upon the hood of his truck.

Hugs of support were given to him and to one another from members of the group, mostly families of soldiers, former soldiers and those who have been personally touched by the War in Iraq.

By those who were in the same hometown as Cindy Sheehan and who don't agree with her statements that what our sons and daughters were risking their lives for was a "noble cause," that the U.S. get out of Palestine (echoing the sentiments of terrorists)and the partisan political statements she continues to make. "Our government is run by one party, every level," Sheehan continued, "and the mainstream media is a propaganda tool for the government." Sheehan also called the 2004 presidential election "the election, quote-unquote, that happened in November."

They didn't agree with Sheehan's support of Lynn Stewart, who was charged with aiding and abetting terrorists who have been trying to kill our U.S. citizens and our children fighting overseas.

Sheehan said she considered Lynne Stewart her Atticus Finch, the lawyer who defended an innocent Black man accused of rape in the book and film “To Kill A Mockingbird.”

“They’re not waging a War on Terror but a War of Terror,” she said. “The biggest terrorist is George W. Bush.” She claimed “it costs $66,000 to recruit one soldier, not including training, and $49,000 a year to house a prisoner, yet only $6,000 per year is spent to educate a child in California. (Recruiting costs are actually $15,000 per soldier, the cost of housing a prisoner in California for one year is $26,000.)

Sheehan continued, “9/11 was Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives’ agenda” and declared the U.S. government a “morally repugnant system.” Then she raged:

We have no Constitution. We’re the only country with no checks and balances. We want our country back if we have to impeach George Bush down to the person who picks up the dog sh-t in Washington! Let George Bush send his two little party animals to die in Iraq. It’s OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons but we are waging nuclear war in Iraq, we have contaminated the entire country. It’s not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon. Hypocrites! But Israel can occupy Palestine? Stop the slaughter!

Nowhere do the articles indicating media bias indicate that Casey reenlisted in the military, coming home for a period of time and encouraging many young Vacaville adults to enlist. That he was proud of what he was doing and he believed in what he was doing in Iraq.

We, in Vacaville, know the family, knew Casey and know of the difficulties the Sheehans had before and after Casey's death.

We knew of the John Kerry campaign coming out to visit them just after it occurred, as they tried to do with many other families. We knew of the referral to the Fenton Communications agency. Most of us know how she has been used.

Many of us comforted the family. Some of our troops, from Travis Air Force Base faced hostile fire to bring Casey home to his parents. Sheehan was grateful then. Now, she slams them for THEIR wishes that the way they honor their fallen be done in privacy.

Nowhere in the articles by the media on the Vacaville event, did it indicate families of other fallen soldiers were at odds with her or even existed.

Nowhere does it state that while individuals were in the parking lot, during the press conferences, vehicles drove by honking in support.

The story of Vacaville was basically ignored by the SF Chronicle and by the Associated Press, who tried to minimize what occurred.

And what occurred were the long time friends and neighbors of Cindy Sheehan standing behind her during her time of grief and standing up against her during her time of anger. Not only long time friends and neighbors, but families and parents of military members, loved ones of fallen soldiers and those who knew Casey and knew he was a hero.

Most frustrating are the times in which Casey died. In March of that year, John Kerry stood up for Al Sadr, the Muslim Cleric who called in his newspaper for the deaths of U.S. troops. Kerry stated in public radio that Al Sadr had a legitimate voice (to call for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq) and that the military should not have shut down his newspaper. It was Al Sadr's people who killed Casey Sheehan. It was John Kerry who approached her and used her after that occurred. None of us can understand why Cindy Sheehan would embrace someone after that occurred.

So, the REAL story from Vacaville...the truth that the newspapers are not telling you.


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Post #708:

When Casey died, the army representative went to her home and it was heartbreaking. He cried as much or more than she did. As did many individuals who served with him at Fort Hood. There is a little section of Fort Hood that they call "Vacaville East."

Vacaville is a middle classed town outside of San Francisco that hosts Travis Air Force Base. Any time something is going on in the world, you know it first here, because the town is "vacant."

Most of our police officers and deputy sheriffs are reservists and have been to Iraq. A good number of the correctional officers at California Medical Facility, the largest prison in the world, are reservists. Many of the retired military live here.

After 9/11, many of our young people left college and enlisted in the military en masse. Mostly in the Army and the Marines. When they came home, they would meet at STARS Recreation Center. It was full of young men and women home on leave this last Christmas.

That was where the daughter, Carly, of the Sheehans worked. Whens she was there, many ignored her after she and her mother started speaking out against the President and the war.

She was mesmerized by the Kerry campaign and their offers to pay their expenses while they traveled across the U.S. supporting him during his campaign. Often she was asked how she could it after his statements about Al Sadr. She was conflicted and could never come up with an answer.

When Kerry made the statements, several of us called his office and asked him why he would support a terrorist. There were letters to the editor about what he did. Cindy knew it. She knew that Al Sadr was picking up on Kerry's talking points and playing on them. We ignored the Kerry requests for support and stood by the President, for whom our children had the utmost respect.

It is difficult here for the rest of the family, especially with so many friends and neighbors who have family members serving. You have to remember, Casey recruited quite a few. And I'm certain Pat (her husband) is going through a very difficult time. I know how hard it is on Joseph Williams. He was shaking during the rally....as memories of the loss of his son, came back. It takes tremendous courage for him to come forward and speak out against Cindy as he has to again relive the past and fight for the honor of his son.

The Sheehan's statement to the Press was strong. They support our troops and they support the families who have children there.

Everyone knows this is not about Casey for Cindy. They know it is all about Cindy. Cindy has always been somewhat liberal, moving here around 1993 from Los Angeles and she pretty much stayed to herself. We attend the same church and she was not all that social.

We have one parent here, Joseph Williams, who has silently grieved and another, Cindy who has made a spectacle and not only brought considerable pain to others, but continues to jeopardize the safety of our children in the military. Two different families and two totally different viewpoints.

In our area, we have lost several soldiers in both Iraq and Afghanistan. We have had them come home, seriously wounded and only wanting to go back. Cindy does not speak for the people of Vacaville. It is a town where fences in her neighborhood are painted to look like the American flag, where yellow ribbons are magnetized to vehicles and where flags hang in front of homes.

None have stood by or supported Cindy.

1 posted on 08/24/2005 2:41:54 PM PDT by HiJinx
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To: HiJinx; mystery-ak; Howlin; Mom of Two Soldiers

Post #716: (to: mystery-ak)

I don't know how to start a thread, but you are more than willing to repost them.

I was speaking with my son in law, who flies for the Air Force and, coincidentally, brought Casey home to his parents. It was difficult and emotional as most times when they brought in what they referred to, in code, as, "precious cargo."

It is heartbreaking for them to hear a mom tear down the honor of her son. We, as many others have, in town, promised to stand behind them and make sure nobody ever goes after them the way the public allowed those to do during Vietnam (to include Kerry, Cindy Sheehan's hero.)


2 posted on 08/24/2005 2:43:49 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: HiJinx

Post #722, to BushIsTheMan:

She was not a Kerry supporter initially. She was very much behind the President.

When she returned from meeting with him, she was very much behind him as was her family. It was only AFTER meeting with the Kerry camp that things started to change.

That's why you see so many letters to the editor in the Vacaville Reporter about her "being used."

They gave her and her daughter, Carly, a lot of attention and paid all their expenses throughout the United States. The other liberal groups jumped in, offering more. Obviously, she needed a lot of attention and set herself apart from all the other military families in town with whom one would only suspect she would identify.

Anyway, this explains why Cindy had not addressed this within her own town or tried to organize here but instead associated with the Berkeley "radicals."


3 posted on 08/24/2005 2:45:27 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: HiJinx

Thanks so much for the thread...it looks good and I'll try to keep it bumped...


4 posted on 08/24/2005 2:45:50 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: mystery-ak; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Kathy in Alaska; StarCMC
Thanks so much for the thread...it looks good and I'll try to keep it bumped...

Think a Canteen Ping would help?

5 posted on 08/24/2005 2:49:09 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

I know this thread belongs here, but could we have it in breaking news for awhile so everyone can see it?.....please!


6 posted on 08/24/2005 2:49:35 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: HiJinx

LOL...maybe the Mods will move it..


7 posted on 08/24/2005 2:50:35 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: mystery-ak

They may...


8 posted on 08/24/2005 2:51:29 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: HiJinx

Wow.

Thanks for posting this.


9 posted on 08/24/2005 2:52:45 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: La Enchiladita; Justanobody; Howlin; SoldiersPrayingMom; Impeach98; Smartass; Syncro

Pinging as requested, plus a couple!


10 posted on 08/24/2005 2:55:43 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: bonfire

My pleasure.

These are strong words and much-needed insight into what's going on that the MSM won't tell us about.


11 posted on 08/24/2005 2:56:45 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: ohioWfan

A must read...please use your ping list..


12 posted on 08/24/2005 3:04:58 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: Mo1

Read this and use your ping list...


13 posted on 08/24/2005 3:07:29 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: HiJinx

Can you add a "MUST READ" to your title? This is far too important!!


14 posted on 08/24/2005 3:09:35 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: mystery-ak; Sidebar Moderator

ditto. PLEASE!


15 posted on 08/24/2005 3:10:48 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: JohnHuang2; Billie; SAMWolf; JustAmy

Would you fine Folks mind using your ping lists here?


16 posted on 08/24/2005 3:14:06 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: HiJinx

You da man, Jinxie...


17 posted on 08/24/2005 3:21:21 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: HiJinx; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; ...
We knew of the John Kerry campaign coming out to visit them just after it occurred, as they tried to do with many other families. We knew of the referral to the Fenton Communications agency. Most of us know how she has been used.

Ping

18 posted on 08/24/2005 3:21:47 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey Cindy ... tell us again why Our Country is not worth fighting for)
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To: mystery-ak; kcvl
She was mesmerized by the Kerry campaign and their offers to pay their expenses while they traveled across the U.S. supporting him during his campaign. Often she was asked how she could it after his statements about Al Sadr. She was conflicted and could never come up with an answer.

Kerry paid her expenses???

Can this be proven?

19 posted on 08/24/2005 3:26:24 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey Cindy ... tell us again why Our Country is not worth fighting for)
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To: Mo1

wow


20 posted on 08/24/2005 3:26:25 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (9-11 Commission - The largest CYA Operation in history!)
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To: La Enchiladita; Mom of Two Soldiers
Aw shucks....

Looks like Mom of Two Soldiers has also posted another similar vanity about the Kerry Influence on Cindy Sheehan.

21 posted on 08/24/2005 3:27:47 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: Mo1

Casey home on leave encouraged others to enlists......has Cindy mentioned this?....I think not!


22 posted on 08/24/2005 3:28:17 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: Mo1; mystery-ak; Mom of Two Soldiers
Kerry paid her expenses???

Can this be proven?

Didn't Mom of Two Soldiers say this was common knowledge in Vacaville last year? See her post linked above...

23 posted on 08/24/2005 3:29:29 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: Mo1; Mom of Two Soldiers

I don't know.....Mom, can this be proven?


24 posted on 08/24/2005 3:30:08 PM PDT by mystery-ak (Home of the free, because of the Brave.....do you understand that Cindy?)
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To: Mo1
She was mesmerized by the Kerry campaign

It's actually called "Being put to sleep."

25 posted on 08/24/2005 3:31:29 PM PDT by My2Cents ("The essence of American journalism is vulgarity divested of truth." -- Winston Churchill)
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To: mystery-ak

Yes. There are many witnesses to conversations about the Kerry campaign. And there was an article in the Vacaville reporter about planning to do an ad for the Kerry campaign. I found this website so far, that also establishes the date after the Kerry campaign was in contact with Sheehan:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-29-ad-barrage_x.htm

I also have telephone bills of when I spoke with the Kerry campaign and they were recruiting family members for their campaign.


26 posted on 08/24/2005 3:32:10 PM PDT by Mom of Two Soldiers
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To: HiJinx
Didn't Mom of Two Soldiers say this was common knowledge in Vacaville last year? See her post linked above...

Common knowledge and proof that she was on Kerry's payroll are two different things

The media won't touch common knowledge

27 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:17 PM PDT by Mo1 (Hey Cindy ... tell us again why Our Country is not worth fighting for)
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To: Mo1

I believe the expenses were paid by the 401c organizations. Carly did state to others that they were paying for everything and she was very excited. That was after meeting with the Kerry campaign.

The Kerry campaign was the one who put her in touch with the 401c organizations and there was direct contact with them.

She was very excited about meeting John Kerry and what they were offering.


28 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:23 PM PDT by Mom of Two Soldiers
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To: Mo1

Nowhere do the articles indicating media bias indicate that Casey reenlisted in the military, coming home for a period of time and encouraging many young Vacaville adults to enlist. That he was proud of what he was doing and he believed in what he was doing in Iraq.





Well Well Well. Poor kid must be spinning in his grave.


29 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:26 PM PDT by hipaatwo (THE DNC - where victory is losing by smaller margins-hat tip to Constitution Day)
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To: Mo1
In March of that year, John Kerry stood up for Al Sadr, the Muslim Cleric who called in his newspaper for the deaths of U.S. troops. Kerry stated in public radio that Al Sadr had a legitimate voice (to call for the deaths of American soldiers in Iraq) and that the military should not have shut down his newspaper. It was Al Sadr's people who killed Casey Sheehan. It was John Kerry who approached her and used her after that occurred. None of us can understand why Cindy Sheehan would embrace someone after that occurred.

Is there anyone on the left who doesn't embrace dictators and terrorists? Just one?

30 posted on 08/24/2005 3:34:50 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Mom of Two Soldiers; Impeach98; SoldiersPrayingMom; mystery-ak; La Enchiladita

Kerry paid, or Leftist 401(c)s did, for Sheehan's support during his campaign. And now, she's reliving that animosity towards President Bush. With more funding from those organizations? Most likely.

It's 2004 all over again...the Left denies losing the election.


31 posted on 08/24/2005 3:35:57 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: HiJinx; ST.LOUIE1; Mama_Bear; Billie; dansangel; dutchess; Aquamarine; Jim Robinson; LadyX; ...

Pinging you to some mighty powerful reading material.


32 posted on 08/24/2005 3:36:09 PM PDT by JustAmy
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To: JustAmy

Thanks, Amy.


33 posted on 08/24/2005 3:37:25 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: Mo1

I know...read what Mom of Two Soldiers is saying...this is first-hand information, backed up by letters and articles in the local papers, and I believe she also linked a USA Today article...


34 posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:39 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: Peach
Is there anyone on the left who doesn't embrace dictators and terrorists? Just one?

I've snapped a synap trying to think of one, but I can't.

35 posted on 08/24/2005 3:40:05 PM PDT by My2Cents ("The essence of American journalism is vulgarity divested of truth." -- Winston Churchill)
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To: Mo1

USA Today, 9/29/04:

A newly formed anti-Bush organization called RealVoices PAC released the first commercial to spotlight a parent of an American soldier killed in Iraq. The mother, Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., tearfully asks why Bush hasn't "been honest with us" about the reasons for going to war with Iraq.


36 posted on 08/24/2005 3:40:20 PM PDT by HiJinx (~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~)
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To: HiJinx

No thanks necessary; it was my pleasure.

It is important that we do not let the commies and the liberal press turn the tide of public opinion the way they did during the VietNam War.


37 posted on 08/24/2005 3:42:42 PM PDT by JustAmy
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To: JustAmy

Thanks.
And Bump.


38 posted on 08/24/2005 3:46:44 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: JustAmy
Cindy Sheehan: 'I am not the issue'

By LANCE GAY
Scripps Howard News Service
August 24, 2005

- Cindy Sheehan says she's tried to keep the focus of her protest on the immorality of the war in Iraq, but she's found this month that it's difficult to keep the spotlight off herself.

"I am not the issue," she said on her Web blog. "The issue is a disastrous war that's killing our sons and daughters and making our country less secure. They attack me because they can no longer defend this war."

39 posted on 08/24/2005 3:48:45 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Mom of Two Soldiers

Well, why isn't Kerry with her now? Oh yeah, he lost so he doesn't need her any more.


40 posted on 08/24/2005 3:50:32 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Mom of Two Soldiers; HiJinx

Incredible....beyond words.

Has everyone saved that article in case it "disappears"???


41 posted on 08/24/2005 3:52:25 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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To: kcvl
"I am not the issue," she said on her Web blog

As my Mom would say ..... what a pile of horse poop!
42 posted on 08/24/2005 3:54:07 PM PDT by JustAmy
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To: JustAmy

Thanks for the ping, Amy.

Ms. Sheehan does not speak for THIS military family, either!


43 posted on 08/24/2005 3:57:22 PM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: GatorGirl

I wonder what the percentage of military families agree with her ...... maybe 10%.

By reading the MSM, you'd think it were at least 80%.


44 posted on 08/24/2005 4:02:52 PM PDT by JustAmy
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To: JustAmy

I've noticed that the immediate military family--spouse and children--are overwhelmingly supportive. The only vocal opposition comes from parents, with very few exceptions.

There are a few freaky parents out there like Ms. Sheehan. I can understand that losing a child must be horrible but they dishonor their child by their vocal opposition to something he or she was totally committed to.

Most families bear their loss with great pride in their loved one and respect and honor for his or her sacrifice. Ms. Sheehan is obviously ashamed of her son.

It's unfortunate, really.


45 posted on 08/24/2005 4:08:42 PM PDT by GatorGirl (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: jennyjenny

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy and Sen. John F. Kerry yesterday each threw their support behind Cindy Sheehan, who has been camped outside Bush's Crawford, Texas, home since Saturday, vowing not to leave until the president meets with her about the war. Sheehan's 24-year-old Marine son, Casey, was killed five days after he arrived in Iraq.


http://news.bostonherald.com/national/view.bg?articleid=97671


46 posted on 08/24/2005 4:15:11 PM PDT by hipaatwo (THE DNC - where victory is losing by smaller margins-hat tip to Constitution Day)
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To: HiJinx

They must've increased her salary...


47 posted on 08/24/2005 4:16:24 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: hipaatwo

My, my, my . . .


48 posted on 08/24/2005 4:18:30 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day. . . "Operation Gratitude")
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To: HiJinx
Bump!

See these signs in Crawford this weekend.

49 posted on 08/24/2005 4:29:05 PM PDT by W04Man (Bush2004 Grassroots Campaign We Did It! STAY THE COURSE!)
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To: hipaatwo

Was that before or after her hate filled filth became very public?


50 posted on 08/24/2005 4:30:52 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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