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To: supercat; narby
As a moral justification for what would otherwise be unacceptable actions, on the basis that the term "fitness" in the phrase "survival of the fittest" implies moral superiority

You have both made interesting points about 'Social Darwinism,' which really has to be considered as an episode in the development of political philosophy with no standing at all in science.

My own view (for what it's worth) is that there is a fundamental category error in seeing an analogy between biological evolution (over a span of some billions of years) and the 'evolution' of human culture and institutions (over a span of a few thousand years). There are some cute 'analogies' between the two processes, but no real commonality between the underlying mechanisms, and I think arguing political/cultural/moral issues on old Darwin's back is to wander on to thin ice.

I like to think (oh alright, call it my 'faith' if you must) that the nature of our species is such that rational solutions ultimately prevail, and that core conservative ideas are superior, more efficacious, and do ultimately prevail because they are more rational. We had to oppose the dangers of Communism by military means, but its ultimate 'extinction' (see how easy it is to slip into Darwinian analogy!) is coming about because we have won the argument on rational grounds. The deleterious effects of big government, tax-and-spend programs, and all the rest of the liberal ideological craziness is defeated in the same way.

I am sorry that a minority group of self-styled Christians have such an issue with Darwin, believe he is the source of 'moral decay' or whatever--and also annoyed that these folks just refuse to engage with the science and do not acknowledge that a majority of Christians have no issue here at all. But I guess that's what these threads are for

83 posted on 09/18/2005 3:17:10 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: SeaLion
There are some cute 'analogies' between the two processes, but no real commonality between the underlying mechanisms

I think you're correct. I didn't have any time to get into the subject so my post was misleading.

Still don't have time this morning.

The biggest discrepancy between the two "Darwins" is that third world cultures, that we would think as needing to go away, are actually out reproducing first world cultures. Europe is a good example, and I think without immigration from third world Mexico the US would be in that boat as well.

But cultures are like a species. They do change over time, and subsequent generations "inherit" many of the features of the previous. It's just that we may not like which cultures "survive" and which don't.

It's worth noting that no "advanced" civilization has survived for long. Although apparently subsequent advanced civilizations do push the state of advancement farther.

88 posted on 09/18/2005 7:37:45 AM PDT by narby
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