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To: Ichneumon
Index to Creationist Claims (edited by Mark Isaak)

Many thanks, Ichneumon, for posting these sources; I have a lot of reading to do!

Three things do tend to 'burn' me somewhat. One is when someone claims that ToE is 'incompatible' with core conservative values, so ergo I am not a 'true' conservative. I wish these same people would please make this observation about me to the work colleagues who generally brand me a war-mongering reactionary Neo-Con

Another is when people charge that evolutionists 'believe' in Darwinism as if it were religion. I'm starting to think that this one is so foolish, maybe we better just go along with it, buy ourselves mail-order ordination ($19.99 gets you a legal ordination and a minister parking sticker at http://jonci.com/ReligiousProductsOrdination.dsp) to put that one to rest. Except, we'll all have to legally change our names to 'Steve' first, and I guess that's gonna bump up the cost.

The third 'burn' for me is soi disant Christians claiming to speak for all Christians. Most Christians don't have an issue with Darwin, some do. Which means that most of the heat and none of the light in these threads really does come from a dispute between religious factions, not between religion generally and science.

Or, brother Ichneumon, as it is written in the Book of Mark Issac, CH102, 'The Bible is literal'

94 posted on 09/18/2005 9:44:51 AM PDT by SeaLion ("Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man" -- Thomas Paine)
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To: SeaLion
Another is when people charge that evolutionists 'believe' in Darwinism as if it were religion.

Covered in The List-O-Links:

EPISTEMOLOGICAL ISSUES
Do You Believe in Evolution? Knowledge versus belief.
NEW Why Are Scientists Confident that Complex Biological Systems Evolved Gradually?
Morton's Demon. Why so many have trouble with evolution.
The omphalos hypothesis. The formal name for "Last-Thursdayism."
96 posted on 09/18/2005 9:49:19 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: SeaLion
One is when someone claims that ToE is 'incompatible' with core conservative values, so ergo I am not a 'true' conservative.

I've been told by some at work and on FR that a true conservative must be a Christian who hold the Bible as the innerrant Word of God. Some have even go as far as to say that to be American, you must be solidly Christian. These people, as heart felt as they are, are in the minority.

101 posted on 09/18/2005 12:24:55 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: SeaLion
Another is when people charge that evolutionists 'believe' in Darwinism as if it were religion. I'm starting to think that this one is so foolish, maybe we better just go along with it, buy ourselves mail-order ordination ($19.99 gets you a legal ordination and a minister parking sticker at http://jonci.com/ReligiousProductsOrdination.dsp) to put that one to rest.

I always find it ironically funny when some religious people seem to think that the most dismissive thing they can think of to call evolutionary biology is "a religion", as if by being a religion it would automatically a bad, silly, or worthless thing...

I often hear anti-evolutionists try to dismiss evolutionary biology as "just another religion" -- but you never hear pro-evolutionists try to dismiss opposing views as "just another science", because the pro-evolutionists hold science in *high* regard... Apparently a lot of the "religionists" hold religion in low regard, which is quite odd.

107 posted on 09/18/2005 1:45:51 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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