[NicknamedBob]

I'm inclined to agree with Iraqikurd on this one, Bob.

I agree that all of our Constitutional rights should not be extended to suspected terrorists, but basic human rights should. I have always felt that torture was a barbaric and subhuman thing to consider, but that doesn't mean that modern interrogation techniques, including moderate brainwashing or de-conditioning, and chemical pursuaders should be forbidden.

I took pride in the fact that in the first Gulf War, Iraqi troops surrendered in droves to our men (and Machines!) It seemed to prove to me that civilised treatment of prisoners of war was the best way to win battles. Convincing your opponents to fight to the last man is just plain stupid, and costly in our lives as well as theirs.

We need to convince our friends and enemies that we have a better lifestyle, with freedom and justice for all, and not just a better war machine.

[concretebob]

There is a rabid dog in your neighborhood. He has already attacked several of your neighbors and their children
You gonna break out the Kibbles & Bits, or the 30.30?

[concretebob]

The McCain Amendment -- SA 1977 -- Says The Following...

“No individual in the custody or under the physical control of the United States Government, regardless of nationality or physical location, shall be subject to cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment."

No cruel or inhuman treatment... that sounds reasonable... or does it?

But the phrase “degrading treatment” – which could have been invented by Amnesty International -- is so vague and full of holes you could drive a Hummer through it.

Solitary confinement, harsh language, ridicule, mild threats, good-cop-bad-cop -- the Senate wants to outlaw all of these standard questioning techniques and restrict interrogators to the etiquette of a ladies’ lawn party.

These terrorists are butchering women and children all over the globe -- as well as launching sneak attacks on our troops – and we’re supposed to walk on egg shells when we try to find out which Americans they intend to kill next?

Exactly what are our troops suppose to do when questioning these terrorist thugs in an attempt to save American lives?

"Pretty please Mr. terrorist... I beg you...could you please tell us the details of your NEXT attack on innocent Americans?"

That's about the size of it folks. After all, we will now have to be extra careful not to do ANYTHING THAT WOULD DEGRADE OR INSULT THESE KILLERS!

The U.S. Senate hasn’t gotten the message: We’re at war with fanatics who hate Americans.

These jihadists are willing to die for their faith, and we aren’t even willing to be ill-mannered to protect our freedom.

[concretebob]

We need to convince our friends and enemies that we have a better lifestyle, with freedom and justice for all, and not just a better war machine.

Our friends don't need convincing and our enemies think our lifestyle is a tool of satan..it's why they are our enemies..
they tried to DESTROY that lifestyle on 9/11
anyone who believes TERRORISTS...islamo-extremists...alQueda... is worthy of the same treatment as criminals or prisoners of war is not thinking clearly..or does not understand the evil we are dealing with..

[concretebob]

(d) Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment Defined.--In this section, the term "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment'' means the cruel, unusual, and inhumane treatment or punishment prohibited by the Fifth, Eighth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, as defined in the United States Reservations, Declarations and Understandings to the United Nations Convention Against Torture and Other Forms of Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment done at New York, December 10, 1984.

Hell, let 'em vote too..and give 'em medial care, and social security.

[concretebob]

Iraqi troops surrendered in droves to our men

The difference between scared 18 to 25 year old conscripts, and the motivated, dedicated elements of the islamo-extremists should be obvious.