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Texas Concealed Handgun Law: Ten Years Later
Dallas Blog ^ | 1/5/2006 | Hon. Jerry Patterson

Posted on 01/05/2006 12:39:22 PM PST by Pop Fly

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I've been reading some good stuff over at Dallas Blog lately, and this piece does a great job talking about the ten-year anniversary of the Texas Concealed Hangun law.
1 posted on 01/05/2006 12:39:25 PM PST by Pop Fly
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To: Pop Fly
With 247,345 concealed handgun licenses active in Texas...

...my wife's and mine among them...

2 posted on 01/05/2006 12:44:14 PM PST by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX-"Tom DeLay Country")
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To: Pop Fly

Yet the liberal anti-gun, chicken little idiots in states that are proposing "shall issue" permits for it's citizens STILL scream about "shootouts over fenderbenders" and "blood in the streets".

It is not about guns, it is about control.


3 posted on 01/05/2006 12:44:47 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Pop Fly

Yet the liberal anti-gun, chicken little idiots in states that are proposing "shall issue" permits for it's citizens STILL scream about "shootouts over fenderbenders" and "blood in the streets".

It is not about guns, it is about control.


4 posted on 01/05/2006 12:44:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Pop Fly

Flip side: Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.


5 posted on 01/05/2006 12:46:07 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Pop Fly
No recurrent shootouts at four-way stops, no blood in the streets.

Hmph?! What's with Texas? Loss of backbone? :)

6 posted on 01/05/2006 12:47:15 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Pop Fly

Great article. Count me in the CHL stats as well.


7 posted on 01/05/2006 12:49:09 PM PST by BTHOtu
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To: Pop Fly
The Second Amendment - Commentaries

The Second Amendment works everytime.

8 posted on 01/05/2006 12:50:01 PM PST by PsyOp (The commonwealth is theirs who hold the arms.... - Aristotle.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

As the saying goes...if you lived in Boston, under that kind of state and local government control, you would want to kill someone too.


9 posted on 01/05/2006 12:52:18 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Pop Fly

---should be forced reading for the Wisconsin state legislature, whose buffoons are presently yapping about "blood in the streets", etc.---vis-a-vis concealed carry--


10 posted on 01/05/2006 12:53:07 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Sans-Culotte


Me too.


11 posted on 01/05/2006 12:53:10 PM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Pop Fly
I knew that when law-abiding Texans’ constitutional right to keep and bear arms was restored...

I'm glad that we now have "shall issue" carry in TX, thanks in no small part to Patterson, but if we truly had our "constitutional right to keep and bear arms" restored, we wouldn't have to apply and pay for permission to do so.

12 posted on 01/05/2006 12:54:57 PM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Pop Fly

BANG! (I'm your huckleberry..)


13 posted on 01/05/2006 12:58:05 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: fanfan; GMMAC; Clive; proud American in Canada

In light of some of the hot rhetoric flowing about more gun control laws in Canada, you may find this enlightening.


14 posted on 01/05/2006 1:01:01 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Pop Fly
Since the passage of the Concealed Handgun Law, the FBI Uniform Crime Report shows an 18% drop in handgun murders, down from 838 in 1995 to 688 in 2004. And a 13% drop in handgun murders per 100,000 population, down from 4.5 murders per 100,000 Texans in 1995 to 3.95 per 100,000 in 2004.

Too bad the sheeple the City/County of San Francisco, CA weren't smart enough to learn from Texas' success. About 60% of them voted to ban handguns all together.

15 posted on 01/05/2006 1:07:23 PM PST by Tamar1973 (There's NOTHING I need at 5 a.m., except more sleep!!!!!)
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To: Pop Fly

No, no, no...guns kill people. Didn't you get the DNC talking points memo today? More guns = more dead people, plain and simple. Didn't you get Teddy's memo? You know, that murderer that's killed more people with his car than I have with my assault rifle.


16 posted on 01/05/2006 1:08:59 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years....Nec Aspera Terrent!!!)
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To: Pop Fly

bump


17 posted on 01/05/2006 1:09:38 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: Pop Fly

Once again, an armed society is a polite society.
Violent criminals become polite.


18 posted on 01/05/2006 1:13:20 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: backhoe

Thanks for the ping Backhoe.

An armed society is a polite society.

God Bless Texas!


19 posted on 01/05/2006 1:18:26 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: snidely whiplash III

Ping!


20 posted on 01/05/2006 1:19:40 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Flip side: Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.

And on the radio a few weeks ago not only did Gov. Romney praise Mass' strict gun control laws but he also was glad that the law extended to BB guns.

21 posted on 01/05/2006 1:20:44 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Sans-Culotte

I'll be making it 247,346 within a couple months.


22 posted on 01/05/2006 1:26:36 PM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
And on the radio a few weeks ago not only did Gov. Romney praise Mass' strict gun control laws but he also was glad that the law extended to BB guns.

Really? That scuttles any support I'd have for him. I thought he was supposed to be "conservative."

23 posted on 01/05/2006 1:27:34 PM PST by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: fanfan
An armed society is a polite society.

Indeed. Many years ago my wife worked in an office with the wife of the City's Chief of Detectives-- there was not one woman family member of his who didn't have a sidearm. Sometimes several- purse, glovebox, office desk. And I cannot think of a single policeman I've known whose families were not similarly equipped- the Good Guys know there is no substitute for being armed- just in case.

24 posted on 01/05/2006 1:27:48 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Pop Fly
Damn right. Despite all the evidence, the government of Canada is moving to ban all handguns (talk about concealed carry!, save those of cops and a select few hundred competition shooters. Sigh.

The effect of the Concealed Handgun Law has been so positive, it has converted some of its most outspoken initial critics.

Just not enough.

25 posted on 01/05/2006 1:30:00 PM PST by M203M4
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To: backhoe
What I would like to see are the real figures on crimes that were most often committed by unarmed felons, against unarmed citizens, before and after CCW laws were passed.

Car-jackings fit that bill quite well in my opinion, and the stats wouldn't be muddled by crimes of passion, gang related crap, etc.

Car-jackings were all the rage 10-15 years ago and most often it was thugs yanking an unarmed person out of their car at a red light, and the criminals themselves weren't armed, just bigger/stronger.

I know for a fact that car-jackings in Detroit dropped like a stone after Mi. passed its "must issue law", but you'll never see the MSM or the police chiefs putting the before/after stats out there for all to see.

Do that study and compile the stats, and we can stuff them up the anti-gunners a$$.
26 posted on 01/05/2006 1:32:09 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: R. Scott

Indeed. And why is this just such a tough issue for the anti-gun crowd to wrap their minds around?? The logic beams forth more brightly than the sun. Kudos to Texas!


27 posted on 01/05/2006 1:36:48 PM PST by delphirogatio
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To: theDentist

Hmph?! What's with Texas? Loss of backbone? :)


We killed a 34 game winning streak last night!


28 posted on 01/05/2006 1:36:50 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Beagle8U

when will these anti-gun dems get it--the criminals with guns don't care about "legislation".


29 posted on 01/05/2006 1:37:49 PM PST by celejrm313
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To: wolfcreek

Yes, but that victory falls undder the "Needed Killing" category.


30 posted on 01/05/2006 1:39:41 PM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Barney Gumble

The few times I've heard him questioned on gun laws and the second amendment he's been firmly on the side of controls. (He apparently likes a well controlled quail population too!)


31 posted on 01/05/2006 1:41:29 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Beagle8U
I certainly agree- the stats we see bandied about are not telling the whole story. We all know how the Brady Bunch has stretched the definition of "children," and I recall from a post on Small Dead Animals the crime rate comparisons between the US and Canada are hard to factor because their "homicide rate" is based on convictions, whereas ours includes deaths by police action and other broader measures.

Carjackings probably are a better indicator- also "Hot Burglaries," because even the dumbest burglar knows that if a person has only one weapon, it's almost certainly in the house with them.

32 posted on 01/05/2006 1:41:46 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Ancesthntr

"...if we truly had our "constitutional right to keep and bear arms" restored, we wouldn't have to apply and pay for permission to do so."

That is THE major problem with CCW laws. Any time you need to get a "permit" to do something that is a "right" guaranteed by the Constitution, the powers to be who issued the "permit" can withdraw the same. So much for the "Right to keep and Bear Arms".


33 posted on 01/05/2006 1:45:19 PM PST by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: celejrm313
No, armed criminals could care less about gun laws.

But if we could present before/after facts on crimes that were most often committed by unarmed felons before, and after ccw laws passed and those crimes dropped by a wide margin, It would prove beyond a doubt that armed citizens are the cause of that drop in crime.

The anti's sure as hell couldn't try to spin that into saying that stolen cars/SUV's are worth less now...lol
34 posted on 01/05/2006 1:46:53 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.

probably Texans on vacation in Boston


35 posted on 01/05/2006 1:51:40 PM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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"Massachusetts has very strict gun-control laws. And the Boston murder rate is at its highest point in 10 years.

probably Texans on vacation in Boston"

I'll bet after that "BrokeButt Mountain" movie came out, Texans are up there looking for a queer to marry? / sarc.
36 posted on 01/05/2006 1:56:01 PM PST by Beagle8U (An "Earth First" kinda guy ( when we finish logging here, we'll start on the other planets.)
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To: Pop Fly

I'd be looking for some anecdotes that back up the statistics; e.g., instances where someone with a firearm interceded, and stopped, a crime.


37 posted on 01/05/2006 2:24:35 PM PST by tom h
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To: Pop Fly

Excellent post! I would love to send this out to some of my liberal buddies, then again they'd find something emotional to start crying about. Facts are wasted on libs anyways.


38 posted on 01/05/2006 2:37:24 PM PST by proud_yank (Guns cause crime like forks cause Michael Moore to be fat.)
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To: delphirogatio

Agreed. When I saw this over at Dallas Blog, I knew it should be posted here. I didn't even know it was the ten-year anniversary, and as the author points out, the sky has not fallen....far from it. It's always great when we see evidence of lessened gun control laws helping us.


39 posted on 01/05/2006 2:38:40 PM PST by Pop Fly
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To: Pop Fly

How could permits increase murder rates? I suspect that any increase in the number of people who carry is accounted for by a few more women with guns in their purses.


40 posted on 01/05/2006 2:46:42 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Beagle8U

Carjackings in Florida just about ended for local folks but skyrocketed for rental cars in South Florida because foreign tourists drove most of them and they were obvioiusly not armed. The license tags were then changed so that rental status is not visible on the tag and that stopped, too. That was the year Florida almost lost its foreign tourist trade.


41 posted on 01/05/2006 2:51:36 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: celejrm313

When will the conservatives get it? To the liberals the criminals are the good guys. The most forthright about this were the Communists in Russia who classed common criminals as "social allies" who had to be locked up from time time when they became inconvenient but were useful in keeping the population scared.


42 posted on 01/05/2006 2:54:13 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Pop Fly; backhoe; All
Texas under the Concealed Handgun Law isn’t the Wild West

This is a very interesting article, and not surprising in light of John Lott's research.

And I did some research on the Wild West for my first novel (set in 1870's Colorado). The shooting that was done was to enforce the law (at a time when the representatives of the law were few and far between) and stop the (few in number) outlaws that were terrorizing innocent citizens.

It wasn't like people were just shooting each other up for the heck of it.

There was one story I loved about a woman who had a small handgun--was it called the Ladies' Equalizer?--and pulled it out to stop an accused criminal when he tried to bust out of his trial.

I will look it up--I sent the book I had on this ("The Gunslingers," I think it's called--a gorgeous coffee table book with lots of great pictures and history) to a friend of mine whose grandfather was a Wyoming rodeo champion.

Okay, is it possible at all to tell I love Western history? LOL!

43 posted on 01/05/2006 3:27:40 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Pop Fly

The clarification of home defense law took place about then too IIRC, the so-called "make my day" provision arrived.
Home invasions dropped as a result, rarely read about them now and if you do it's usually between druggies.


44 posted on 01/05/2006 3:28:15 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: R. Scott
Once again, an armed society is a polite society. Violent criminals become polite.

Exactly. Please see my #43. :)

45 posted on 01/05/2006 3:30:27 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: fanfan; backhoe; All
An armed society is a polite society. God Bless Texas!

I had the pleasure of living in Texas for about six months. I love people in the South--so friendly and polite--though they do have their East/West barbecue dispute, LOL! (my boyfriend was from North Carolina).

In any case, this article is certainly timely, given the City of Ottawa's voluntary "illegal gun" handover, set to begin next week, I believe.

I was just shaking my head. Tell me what criminal is going to "hand over their guns, no questions asked."

Ottawa is saying, "if it saves even one life, isn't it worth it?"

Well, I would like to throw that argument back at them. Take a good look at the actual research on what happens when the government takes guns away from law-abiding citizens and then answer that question.

46 posted on 01/05/2006 3:34:31 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: ElectricStrawberry

The car vs. assault (lookalike) weapon analogy is fine, but you really mean: (IMHO)

"Ted Kennedy has killed more people with his car than I have with my car."

And my own assault (lookalike) weapon hasn't been used to kill anyone, either.

Mary Jo Kopechne, had she lived, would be 65 now. A wife, mother, grandmother: all those roles were robbed from her by the Swimmer. With no regret other than not becoming President.


47 posted on 01/05/2006 4:06:53 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Sans-Culotte
...my wife's and mine among them...

Same here and we have yet to shoot anyone.

48 posted on 01/05/2006 4:13:28 PM PST by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71)
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To: chesty_puller; All

Just added a new one to my arsenal today. Springfield armory mini compact .45 acp 1911. One helluva fine gun. Getting geared up for the HAT chapter spring shoot.


49 posted on 01/05/2006 4:22:36 PM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Pop Fly

A good lesson for Wisconsin and a great example to put the libs down with...

Yeee Ha TX


50 posted on 01/05/2006 4:40:58 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister.. but we knew what to do.. we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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