Morality and Islam (Ali Sina alert...the insiders view of islam)

Faithfreedom.org ^ | 2/9/2006 | Ali Sina

[Dark Skies]

This article was originally posted in the comments section. But as I kept adding to it, I am moving it to the oped section.

Hello Ali Sina,

Every time I get into an argument with a muslim they keep bringing up points about islam that they say are positive. 1) Like their is less HIV in Islamic countries. Is that because they just don't test for it? 2) There is less crime in islamic countries. 3) Islamic girls are virgins when they are married and western girls are not. How do I answer to these things? What I basically tell them is that all my negative points about islam outweigh the positive points. Please email me back if you can.
Raj

Dear Raj.

It is true! AIDS is less prevalent in Islamic countries than in non Muslim countries. That is because Muslims are less promiscuous than others. This is one point to their credit. However it is not true that the rate of crime in Islamic countries is lower. Even though petty theft in Islamic countries may be lower because the penalty for small theft is huge, big theft, i.e. white collar theft by the government officials is much more prevalent in Islamic countries than in democracies. In Iran you can be severely punished for stealing some fruits, but the Mullahs steal billions with total immunity. This is because Islam does not allow criticism of those in power. Also the violent crimes in Islamic countries are much higher. However in non-Muslim countries, without any exception, Muslims have the highest crime rate per capita than any other ethnic group. The Islamic gangs are the nightmare of Police in all countries. They are the most vicious and dangerous as they generally target the non-Muslims and they are protected by the local Muslim community. Take a look at this scary report

It is true that Muslim brides are more likely to be virgins than non-Muslim brides. Virginity is important to Muslims but not so important for non-Muslims. Muslims make the mistake that if they leave Islam they will have to abandon their values too. Not so! By leaving Islam you leave all its evil teachings of hate but it is up to you to keep your good morals and teach them to your children. Whether Muslim or not, we can be moral if we choose to be or immoral if we don't. Muhammad himself was a pervert man. So clearly believing in such a fiend does not make you a moral person. On the contrary Islam vests with legitimacy what is immoral like having sex with two, three, or four women at a time, or legalizing prostitution calling it mutta, sanctioned by Muhammad and prevalent among the Shiites. Furthermore, it is rare that a Muslim male remain virgin. With whom they have sex then? The fact is that sex among Muslims is prevalent but usually it does not end in vaginal penetration. Muslim girls guard their virginity but not their chastity. Also because Islamic societies are closed often young men rape their close relatives such as female cousins and even sisters. Naturally these cases are never reported. As they could end up in the honor killing of the poor girl.

However, there are a thousand other huge flaws that are inherent in Islam, such as abuse of women’s rights. Domestic violence in Islam is not even recognized as violence. And dare I say this happens in virtually all households. The exceptions exists but they are just that - exceptions. Muslim men are chauvinists and abusive in general. If you count that as violence like the civilized countries do, you will see that the rate of violence in Islamic countries is many fold higher than in non-Islamic ones.

The minorities in Islamic countries have no rights. Freedom of thought and speech that are the cornerstones of progress, in Islamic countries do not exist. So while Muslim men feel happy that their wives’ hymen was intact, (which often is fixed with a minor surgery prior to the marriage to fool the husband) they lose on everything else including their humanity. A person who is not free to think and speak is reduced to the state of an animal.

Think about it. None of the thousands of major inventions is attributed to a Muslim. If the world converts to Islam, women will be virgin and those who are not will be stoned but the world will regress to barbarity and progress will stop. Is this a good price to pay for having the privilege of tearing the hymens of our wives ourselves? .

Apart from the fact that selling our freedom for hymen does not seem to be a good bargain, while it is possible for the non-Muslims to become less promiscuous, by converting to other religions such as Christianity that also teaches chastity or just decide to be less promiscuous out of personal maturity, it is not possible for Muslims to evolve as humans because the freedom to think and speak which is the hallmark of humanity is taken away from them.

All religions teach morality. In fact you don't have to be religious to be moral. I am not religious and I too believe in morality. You don't become a moral person by being part of a certain religion. You become moral when you live morally. Since all religions teach morality, you can be moral being a Hindu, a Buddhist, a Christian, a Jew or even a Daoist which is not a theist religion. I choose to be a moral rationalist.

What kind of morality is this that a Muslim is allowed to have sex with women captured in war and slave girls? If you really put Islam under scrutiny, you'll see that it is a very immoral religion.

So you are absolutely right, the mountain of bad things in Islam overweigh the grain of good things. You can keep that grain of good things, even if you leave Islam, but you won't be able to get rid of all the evil of Islam without leaving it.

[Dark Skies]

The view of evil from one who was in the belly of the beast...the view from the inside the serpent.

[Dark Skies]

ping

[BubbaTheRocketScientist]

It is true that Muslim brides are more likely to be virgins than non-Muslim brides.

Because they tend to execute girls who are not.

[Dark Skies]

Ali Sina should never be in "bloggers and personal" (I did not post it here)...he is on the front line of this war. Tell your friends of his article...spread the word!

DS

[TheClintons-STILLAnti-American]

"The view of evil from one who was in the belly of the beast...the view from the inside the serpent."

That Islam is an evil beast there is no doubt. It is literally, by a wide margin, Satan's greatest work in human history.

The reasons that make it so abominably successful are the same reasons that make it so difficult to help its captives recognize their unnecessary bondage and free themselves.

[Dark Skies]

I thought I posted this article to "new/activism"...but I might have hit the wrong button...Ali Sina is an oracle as regards islam...he is a warrior. Compare his article to this

Panel Explores Standard Tests for Colleges

If you could move this article to "new/activism"...it would help the cause of freedom IMHO.

Thx for ryour consideration.

Have a great weekend!

DS

[Dark Skies]

See post #6...and spread the word.

[rawcatslyentist]

Sura 9:5 of the “Koran,” “Slay the idolaters muslimes wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

How's that for a moral view?????

[TheClintons-STILLAnti-American]

"This is because Islam does not allow criticism of those in power. "

This goes directly back to Moham.

One of his clever (and very convenient) "revelations" forbid questioning whatever he said under severe punishment--both temporal and eternal, from a very nasty "god" who put his stamp of of authority on whatever benefited the Profit Moham at the moment.

[Fred Nerks]

thanks for the ping, I'm too sick of islam and muslimes to comment - I'm buying a gun and learning how to use it.

(PS. No, it's NOT true one can't own and buy a weapon in Australia, so please don't bother to bring THAT up.)

[Dark Skies]

No, it's NOT true one can't own and buy a weapon in Australia, so please don't bother to bring THAT up.

Er...that's not something I would say. I keep a Ruger .357 on my night stand...(my granddad kept a pistol under his pillow).

Have you ever known me to make a negative statement about anything but islam or evil?

[Fred Nerks]

No, I didn't mean YOU! But every time the subject of guns and Australia comes up, some well meaning FReeper always says BUT AUSRALIANS AREN'T ALLOWED TO OWN GUNS...

And that simply is NOT true.

THIS BEAUTIFUL SCENE IS WHAT THE ISLAMOFASCISTS ARE MOST AFRAID OF.

VALOR AND HUMAN EMOTION.

BY CONTRAST, THIS WHAT THEY OFFER. WHICH DO YOU THINK WILL WIN?

Positive images, that's what we need more of.

If you were a Taliban, how would this make you feel?:

That's a whole bunch of folks from a Sunni village lining up to vote at the recent Iraqi elections.

B*gger the 'cartoons' I have a photo collection that's guaranteed to make an islamowhacko very very very angry...really truly angry, not orchestrated!