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Birth Mother Seeks More Say In Brain-Injured Girl's Care
TheBostonChannel.com ^ | March 7 | ap

Posted on 03/08/2006 4:41:48 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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Haleigh continues to improve, having survived the edict of the courts to pull her life support.
1 posted on 03/08/2006 4:41:49 AM PST by 8mmMauser
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2 posted on 03/08/2006 4:43:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

Bloggers & Personal Topics?


3 posted on 03/08/2006 5:52:12 AM PST by candeee
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From Life News,

Boston, MA (LifeNews.com) -- Haleigh Poutre, the severely abused 12 year-old girl who Massachusetts officials tried to win court permission to euthanize is responding and eating solid food on her own. That's according to a nurse who has been giving information to her birth mother, to the chagrin of the Department of Social Services.

Though she remains on a feeding tube, a nurse indicated Poutre is eating scrambled eggs and cream of wheat and has been able to tap out "drum rhythms'" during physical therapy sessions, according to a Boston Globe report.

Other reports indicate Poutre has been able to use hand signals to communicate, including holding up two fingers to indicate she wanted to see her younger sister. She plays with her mother and grandmother's hair when they visit and rubs their faces.

Haleigh Poutre Eating, Responding, Report Delayed in Euthanasia Probe

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4 posted on 03/08/2006 5:55:17 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: candeee; admin

Yeah,, Don't know how that happened.

Admin, could this go on the News/Activism forum"?


5 posted on 03/08/2006 6:14:24 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

BTTT


6 posted on 03/08/2006 6:53:24 AM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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The last Terri dailies thread was pulled last night.


7 posted on 03/08/2006 7:54:00 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

re: the Terri dailies... what does CP stand for?


8 posted on 03/08/2006 8:20:01 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Why?


9 posted on 03/08/2006 8:24:56 AM PST by Dante3
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To: 8mmMauser; Admin Moderator

I would think that this would qualify better as "extended news". Haleigh's story will have periodic updates in the foreseeable future. The fact that her biological mom's attorney is filing suit is a new development.


11 posted on 03/08/2006 10:11:42 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser

I was gone, too. We've had the flu at our house. No fun!


12 posted on 03/08/2006 10:12:58 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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"Though she remains on a feeding tube, a nurse indicated Poutre is eating scrambled eggs and cream of wheat and has been able to tap out "drum rhythms'" during physical therapy sessions, according to a Boston Globe report.

Other reports indicate Poutre has been able to use hand signals to communicate, including holding up two fingers to indicate she wanted to see her younger sister. She plays with her mother and grandmother's hair when they visit and rubs their faces." from the link

And they were so quick to want to euthanize her. How many cases are there like this that we don't know about?


14 posted on 03/08/2006 11:17:02 AM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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How many cases are there like this that we don't know about?

That's part of what scares me. This attitude that people are disposable is sickening. They labelled Haleigh as PVS within 5 days of her hospitalization! PVS is a clinical diagnosis that is made over much more time. That's why it's called persistent. I know the DSS wanted to get the step-dad on murder charges, but that doesn't condone them wanting to withdraw life support from Haleigh. Did the DSS lawyers convince the doctors to give a PVS diagnosis, or are the doctors just quacks with hardened hearts? Makes you wonder who you should trust. None of them, I'd say.

15 posted on 03/08/2006 11:47:43 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser

Why did they pull it?..anyone know?


16 posted on 03/08/2006 12:52:45 PM PST by pickyourpoison (" Laus Deo ")
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To: pickyourpoison

I don't know, but I think it sounds like posts got out of hand yesterday. We need to not let our cages get rattled when there are disruptors. They enjoy egging us on.


17 posted on 03/08/2006 2:23:46 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser

bttt


18 posted on 03/08/2006 2:31:18 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: 8mmMauser; amdgmary; Halls; Lesforlife; pickyourpoison; russesjunjee
Terri's brother Bobby Schindler speaking engagement on March 6th:

http://www.earnedmedia.org/nplac0303.htm

19 posted on 03/08/2006 2:52:49 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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The living will folks are trying to promote a white ribbon for advanced medical directives on the anniversary of the travesty. I guess it is closest they can come to waving a white flag.

I still hope the organizers of recognition on behalf of Terri go for the white rose. I suggested it to them.

Wear a White Ribbon in March to Raise Awareness of Advance Care Planning

Terri after the attack and before bioethicking.

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20 posted on 03/08/2006 3:27:55 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Excerpt from THE NAZI DOCTORS: Medical Killing and the Psychology of Genocide by Robert J. Lifton:

Perhaps the most moving of all expressions of opposition in Nazi Germany involved three medical students and a few additional students from other faculties at the University of Munich, in the dramatic White Rose resistance group. Over several months during 1942 to 1943, the group issued bold leaflets denouncing the Nazi regime and its immoral behavior (“For Hitler and his followers there can be no punishment on this earth which will expiate their crimes”), and calling for the German people to overthrow the regime and restore their good name. The leaflets also declared: “We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.” The students were eventually discovered and condemned by a Nazi “people’s court”; most were beheaded. Significantly, one of the group’s leading figures, Hans Scholl, had been inspired by a sermon of Bishop Clemens von Galen of Münster, condemning the “euthanasia” program, and is said to have responded, “At last somebody has had the courage to speak out.”59
59. Richard Hanser, A Noble Treason: Students Against Hitler (New York: Putnam, 1970), pp. 187, 22, 117, respectively.

21 posted on 03/08/2006 3:36:45 PM PST by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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A white ribbon for what? surrender? It's like the sci-fi movies where you had to turn yourself in at a certain age (thirty?). Farrah Fawcett was in one of those movies and so was Charlton Heston. I can't recall FF's name of movie but Heston's was Soylent Green.

Thoughts and prayers to Dana Reeves' family. She stood by Christopher Reeves instead of lookin' for a Judge Greed to bump him off.

www.judgegeorgegreer.com.

22 posted on 03/08/2006 3:37:53 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
My last post to you was about burning a potato in my microwave.

The potato didn't make it but I did get the smoke outta here after a few days.

23 posted on 03/08/2006 3:40:48 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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New Pro-Life Directory written about at WND:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49158

24 posted on 03/08/2006 3:45:52 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: BykrBayb; bjs1779

Thanks for the pic. Thanks for finding it, a great idea in the first place. Those pics of the three martyrs burn into my memory too.


25 posted on 03/08/2006 3:58:36 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Logan's Run was one of them.


26 posted on 03/08/2006 4:04:05 PM PST by Freedom Dignity n Honor (There are permanent moral truths.)
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That's it. Logan's Run w/Farrah Fawcett making a run for it because she was getting on in years: 30 or so.


27 posted on 03/08/2006 4:09:35 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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Dana Reeves' passing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1591535/posts

28 posted on 03/08/2006 4:12:59 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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I still hope the organizers of recognition on behalf of Terri go for the white rose. I suggested it to them.

I couldn't think of a more excellent choice 8mm. Up until now they died for basically nothing. What a tribute that would be!

29 posted on 03/08/2006 6:06:04 PM PST by bjs1779
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The most expensive video movie I have ever seen.

The White Rose

30 posted on 03/08/2006 6:22:32 PM PST by bjs1779
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$72.00 for a VHS! The cheapest used one is $69.75. I wonder why it's so expensive. The reviews are all positive, and everybody seems to think it's worth the price.


31 posted on 03/08/2006 6:37:39 PM PST by BykrBayb ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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It looks like the German government are responsible for making it a rare commodity.

"Initially, the German government refused to allow the film to be shown abroad due to an epilogue which pointedly observed that the legal judgment condemning the White Rose society had never been rescinded."

32 posted on 03/08/2006 6:41:40 PM PST by bjs1779
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Medical people say that PVS is misdiagnosed around 43% of the time, and we can't even know for sure if that's true.

Medicine is always learning, so you would think they would realize to not be so hasty.

Poor little Haleigh was almost a victim of this rush with death.


33 posted on 03/08/2006 6:52:33 PM PST by Sun (Hillary Clinton is pro-ILLEGAL immigration. Don't let her fool you. She has a D- /F immigr. rating.)
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Anyone know anything about this one?
34 posted on 03/08/2006 8:39:50 PM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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The video got lots of supporting reviews, but I didn't notice mention of the religious backgrounds of the martyrs. Idealistic, yes, but no mention of whether they were Catholics or other Christians or Jews.

Perhaps they only sought that part that supported a more leftist view of the anti-war crowd.

Looks like the film is a good one, though. If some more ask for it, maybe the prices will drop.


35 posted on 03/09/2006 3:34:01 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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That looks like a powerful film, too, but once again although mantioned, her faith is downplayed, at least by the reviewers. I do not doubt the reviewers of both films liked very much the quality film making and the attack on the Hitler "right wing extremists". and glossed over the faith in god shown by these martyrs.


36 posted on 03/09/2006 3:42:40 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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A solid and lengthy discussion on revisionist Catholics and their approach to the case of Terri:

J.P. Hubert Jr. MD FACS Catholic Biomedical Ethicist

Recently, multiple revisionist Catholic writers including some “Catholic” Theologians have opined on the significance of the Terry Schiavo case asserting that it was morally licit to remove her feeding tube, thus insuring that she would die of dehydration. This author has rebutted them in the past.[1] Unfortunately, various writers continue to promulgate opinions which contradict constant Catholic magisterial teaching as if it were compatible with orthodox Catholic belief and practice. The latest article adds to the perfidy by incredibly; alleging that the late Holiness Pope John Paul II’s 2004 allocution on the Persistent Vegetative State was itself “revisionist.”[2]

Fr. Richard McBrien and Others Mislead Catholic Public: Allege Schiavo Feeding Tube Removal OK

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37 posted on 03/09/2006 3:58:19 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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The white flag folks are still touting their ribbons in remembrance of March 31.

The White Rose beats the white flag ribbon proposed by the advanced medical directive folks. I can imagine how a white flag would have helped those martyrs as they faced the guillotine with a living will in hand.


38 posted on 03/09/2006 4:13:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: bjs1779
Maybe if we chipped in to buy it and passed it around? :-) High marks by the reviewers. One fellow said he had seen the film countless times and had even visited the graves in Alte Perlach Cemetery in Munich.

Somewhere, I think it was a linked page, one comes across the words of Gauleiter Giesler addressing the students. He is very soothing. He tells the girls that they obviously are in school because they are not attractive enough to find a boy friend. He advises them to leave higher education to men and to stay home and make one good boy baby for Germany every year.

Girls LOVE to hear those things <g>

39 posted on 03/09/2006 6:10:21 AM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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To: 8mmMauser

Whatever happened to the concept of heresy? A death-worshipper in Catholic clothing is heretical. Death is the wages of sin. It belongs to the Enemy.


40 posted on 03/09/2006 6:14:02 AM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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Idealistic, yes, but no mention of whether they were Catholics or other Christians or Jews.

Do you really think there is a chance that they could've been Jews? :)

41 posted on 03/09/2006 6:18:09 AM PST by bjs1779
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Maybe if we chipped in to buy it and passed it around?

Being the cheapskate that I am, I already thought of that! : )

42 posted on 03/09/2006 6:21:35 AM PST by bjs1779
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The earlier White Rose film bears the imprimatur of the National Center for Jewish Film. NCJF is easy to Google. Maybe it's because they have a good sales writer, but I like just about all of their film listings.

Their approving review of The White Rose is to be found under the works of director Michael Verhoeven. There's nothing said about the White Rose students being Christians willing to die for their beliefs; but who'd expect mention of that in a sales blurb? Here's a publicity still. What a pretty young woman Sophie Scholl was, in life and portrayed in film.


43 posted on 03/09/2006 6:43:31 AM PST by T'wit (C'est une folie a nulle autre seconde, / De vouloir se meler a corriger le monde. -- Moliere)
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Here reposted from the earlier thread is the theme from the Kevin Fobbs show: Please note the pledge. God bless them for the work they are doing.

What is Terri’s Day – A Celebration of the Culture of Life and how can you find out more and get involved? Download the Hold the Date flyer to be able to share information with your friends or supporters of a Terri’s Day – A Celebration of the Culture of Life event. If you want to know more about what the event is all about, see our FAQ page to learn more about the background. Download and sign the Pledge to honor Terri’s memory as well as honor what former Pope John Paul II called the “Culture of Life” by pledging six simple things:

TERRI’S DAY – A Celebration of the Culture of Life

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44 posted on 03/09/2006 7:40:32 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam Tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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"Hans and Sophie Scholl were German teenagers in the 1930s. Like other young Germans, they enthusiastically joined the Hitler Youth. They believed that Adolf Hitler was leading Germany and the German people back to greatness."

"Their parents were not so enthusiastic. Their father, Robert Scholl, told his children that Hitler and the Nazis were leading Germany down a road of destruction. Later, in 1942, he would serve time in a Nazi prison for telling his secretary:.........."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/rose.html

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"As Sophie and Hans went to Church one Sunday, they heard Bishop Galen speak of the emerging Euthanasia polices of the 3rd Reich. Hitler was with and without parental/familial permission, ending the lives of the mentally retarded and mentally 'infirm' pharmacologically."

http://www.shoaheducation.com/whiterose.html

Bishop Galen

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"Hans and Alex were soon joined by Christoph Probst (a level-headed, married soldier and father of three who was loved by everyone who knew him) and Willi Graf (another medical student and a devout Catholic who never joined the Hitler Youth and refused to acknowledge those who did)."

http://www.jlrweb.com/whiterose

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"Several members had served in the German Army before resuming their studies. This provided them with information about the atrocities being committed by the Schutz Staffeinel (SS). Willi Graf had served as a medical orderly in France and Yugoslavia in 1941 whereas Hans Scholl and Alexander Schmorell had seen Jews being murdered in Poland and the Soviet Union. When Scholl and Schmorell returned to Munich in November, 1942, they joined up with Graff and began publishing leaflets about what they had seen while in the army."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERwhiterose.htm

45 posted on 03/09/2006 8:10:16 AM PST by bjs1779
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What a lengthy but wonderfully written and explained article by Dr. Hubert! He expresses in so many wonderful ways that which I believe, and that I feel my Catholic upbringing has taught me. God bless Dr. Hubert!!

To all who have not read it, if this article is too long to read now, please bookmark it and read it soon. It has many good explanations and backs them up properly.

Dr. Hubert explains just what faithful Catholics are up against within their own community. There are plenty of priests and bishops who are misleading Catholics every day. They do not realize they have millstones around their necks.


46 posted on 03/09/2006 10:36:49 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: 8mmMauser

Another thread posted by Coleus. The article is by Wesley J. Smith about the death of the Hippocratic Oath.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1593210/posts


47 posted on 03/09/2006 11:07:21 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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Chockful of news at North Country Gazette.

http://www.northcountrygazette.org/

48 posted on 03/09/2006 1:47:14 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

bumping #47 thread re: Wesley Smith.


49 posted on 03/09/2006 1:49:10 PM PST by floriduh voter (http://www.conservative-spirit.org Tom Gallagher for Fla Guv www.tg2006.com)
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To: bjs1779

Thanks for re-posting this. I would be happy to go in on the video.


50 posted on 03/09/2006 2:09:00 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (I sometimes only vote for Republicans because they are not Democrats....by Dr. Thomas Sowell)
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