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To: mnehrling
This is the first I've heard of it but it makes sense. Immediate steps are necessary but the 14th really is the key that let the Genie out of the bottle.
3 posted on 05/24/2006 7:38:46 AM PDT by Dr.Syn
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To: Dr.Syn
You should take any opinion that says the 14th Amendment isn't legitimate with a grain of salt. While initially it was not ratified by all States (because of the Civil War)- the basis for the argument against the 14th Amendment, most analysis fail to realize (or hide) that after the Civil War, those States that didn't ratify it initially, did so.
This is still argued by those who don't think the 'Union' installed governments in these States was legitimate.
4 posted on 05/24/2006 7:42:17 AM PDT by mnehring (Those who advocate, and act to promote, victory by Democrats are not conservatives!)
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To: Dr.Syn
Just a little history of Ratification of the 14th. Note, you see that all the Southern States that rejected it (the basis for the claims of it's illegitimacy) did later ratify it.

The fourteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States was proposed to the legislatures of the several States by the Thirty-ninth Congress, on the 13th of June, 1866. It was declared, in a certificate of the Secretary of State dated July 28, 1868 to have been ratified by the legislatures of 28 of the 37 States. The dates of ratification were: Connecticut, June 25, 1866; New Hampshire, July 6, 1866; Tennessee, July 19, 1866; New Jersey, September 11, 1866 (subsequently the legislature rescinded its ratification, and on March 24, 1868, readopted its resolution of rescission over the Governor's veto, and on Nov. 12, 1980, expressed support for the amendment); Oregon, September 19, 1866 (and rescinded its ratification on October 15, 1868); Vermont, October 30, 1866; Ohio, January 4, 1867 (and rescinded its ratification on January 15, 1868); New York, January 10, 1867; Kansas, January 11, 1867; Illinois, January 15, 1867; West Virginia, January 16, 1867; Michigan, January 16, 1867; Minnesota, January 16, 1867; Maine, January 19, 1867; Nevada, January 22, 1867; Indiana, January 23, 1867; Missouri, January 25, 1867; Rhode Island, February 7, 1867; Wisconsin, February 7, 1867; Pennsylvania, February 12, 1867; Massachusetts, March 20, 1867; Nebraska, June 15, 1867; Iowa, March 16, 1868; Arkansas, April 6, 1868; Florida, June 9, 1868; North Carolina, July 4, 1868 (after having rejected it on December 14, 1866); Louisiana, July 9, 1868 (after having rejected it on February 6, 1867); South Carolina, July 9, 1868 (after having rejected it on December 20, 1866).

Ratification was completed on July 9, 1868.

The amendment was subsequently ratified by Alabama, July 13, 1868; Georgia, July 21, 1868 (after having rejected it on November 9, 1866); Virginia, October 8, 1869 (after having rejected it on January 9, 1867); Mississippi, January 17, 1870; Texas, February 18, 1870 (after having rejected it on October 27, 1866); Delaware, February 12, 1901 (after having rejected it on February 8, 1867); Maryland, April 4, 1959 (after having rejected it on March 23, 1867); California, May 6, 1959; Kentucky, March 18, 1976 (after having rejected it on January 8, 1867).
5 posted on 05/24/2006 7:47:29 AM PDT by mnehring (Those who advocate, and act to promote, victory by Democrats are not conservatives!)
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