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More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says
One News Now.com ^ | 2/22/07 | Jim Brown

Posted on 03/02/2007 5:18:13 AM PST by alienken

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says Jim Brown

February 22, 2007

Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population.

Mike Cutler, a former senior special agent with the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (the former INS), is a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies and an advisor to Family Security Matters (FSM). He says the high number of Americans being killed by illegal aliens is just part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration.

"The military actually called for the BORTAC team, ... the elite unit of the Border Patrol, to be detailed to Iraq to help to secure the Iraqi border," Cutler notes. "Now, if our military can understand that Iraq's security depends in measure on the ability to protect its border against insurgents and terrorists, then why isn't our country similarly protecting our own borders?" he asks.

"We are now five and a half years, nearly, after 9/11, and yet our borders remain open," the Center for Immigration Studies fellow observes. "We have National Guardsmen assigned on the border, but it turns out they are unarmed," he points out. "Their rules of engagement are very simple: if armed intruders head your way, run in the other direction."

This situation would "almost be comical if it wasn't so tragic," Cutler asserts. "If our borders are wide open, this means that drugs, criminals, and terrorists are entering our country just as easily as the dishwashers," he says.

The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes, ranging from drug arrests to rape and murder. Such statistics, Cutler contends, debunk the claim that illegal immigration is a victimless crime. "Then we even have another problem," he adds, "and that's the Visa Waiver Program."

The federal government's Visa Waiver Program enables nationals of certain countries to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa. According to the U.S. State Department website, the waiver program was established in 1986 with the objective of "eliminating unnecessary barriers to travel," stimulating America's tourism industry, and allowing the government to focus consular resources in other areas.

Cutler says the U.S. retains the Visa Waiver Program because the nation's travel, tourism, and hospitality industries want America's borders wide open. In other words, the former INS official contends, the nation's security is being compromised in the name of trade.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; border; builditnow; crimaliens; fence; giuliani; illegals; immigrantlist; invasion; iraq; murdersbyillegals; pleasedeport; wall
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This puts things in perspective.
1 posted on 03/02/2007 5:18:15 AM PST by alienken
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To: alienken
That settles it. We need to pull out of America and redeploy. Lets get John Murtha on this at once.
2 posted on 03/02/2007 5:21:05 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: Long Island Pete
Actually, the illegal aliens should be redeployed -- to Mexico.
3 posted on 03/02/2007 5:23:18 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: alienken

An inconvenient truth, indeed.


5 posted on 03/02/2007 5:24:34 AM PST by mikeus_maximus (Liberals want America to fail so the world can evolve.)
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To: alienken

I'm sure this will lead the CBS Evening News tonight. Yeah, right.


6 posted on 03/02/2007 5:25:29 AM PST by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: alienken

My first thought was of that kid on The Simpsons who does the "Ha ha" laugh. My second thought was to cry and give thanks I don't live in a border state or in an area with a high population of illegals.


7 posted on 03/02/2007 5:25:58 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (Algore put the mental in environmental.)
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To: Long Island Pete

This needs to be spread far and wide.


8 posted on 03/02/2007 5:27:37 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Shuck04

People paying the high price for someone else's cheap labor.


9 posted on 03/02/2007 5:27:38 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: alienken
Mr President, are you listening to this??

Mr President???

Hello... anyone in the White House?? In Washington???

Hello.....?

10 posted on 03/02/2007 5:32:18 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: alienken

"Just killing the Americans that other American's don't want to kill."


12 posted on 03/02/2007 5:34:58 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: libertylover
I'm sure this will lead the CBS Evening News tonight. Yeah, right.

My thoughts exactly!

13 posted on 03/02/2007 5:37:54 AM PST by Netizen
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To: Shuck04

yeah but look at those low lettuce prices...
And wonder about eating it...will we get E coli or worse?


14 posted on 03/02/2007 5:38:11 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: Hydroshock; Shuck04
People paying the high price for someone else's cheap labor.

But, don't ya know, they are called "fiscal conservatives" now and social issues just have to wait this election???

15 posted on 03/02/2007 5:39:39 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: alienken

"The report from FSM estimates that the 267,000 illegal aliens currently incarcerated in the nation are responsible for nearly 1,300,000 crimes"

Where are they? I'm ready to donate!


16 posted on 03/02/2007 5:41:04 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

"Just killing the Americans that other American's don't want to kill."


Oh man, GOOD ONE!! LOL-actually


17 posted on 03/02/2007 5:41:52 AM PST by alienken (Bumper sticker idea- We have God in heaven & a Texan in the whitehouse,LIFE IS GOOD!!(not so good,))
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To: pandoraou812

Good one, pandy! ~guffaw!~


18 posted on 03/02/2007 5:42:32 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: alienken

The apologists should be along any minute.


19 posted on 03/02/2007 5:46:17 AM PST by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: Netizen
"The apologists should be along any minute."

No, when there is proof offered, they remain silent. It would require them to think for themselves, which they cannot do.

20 posted on 03/02/2007 5:49:27 AM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: alienken

bump


21 posted on 03/02/2007 5:52:59 AM PST by CheneyChick
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To: Shuck04

We're expendable.


22 posted on 03/02/2007 5:53:44 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: alienken

But the illegals are so cute, and they do everything for us. We should inform the illegals we want to sacrifice our nation to the illegal criminal invaders, just as our politicians have done. It will make us French (like our fearless leaders)....and we will smell like the French......kind of fishy and dead smelling.......oh happy day! Dang where's my /s tag? (jmh-no)


23 posted on 03/02/2007 6:00:04 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: Froufrou
Does anyone have a link to the actual alleged study? I went to the FSM website, and the reported article claims "267,000" incarcerated illegals, yet their own site links to a GAO study:

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/homeland.php?id=755554

and quotes it as saying 42,000 in 2001 and 49,000 in 2004. That's a huge discrepancy.

I stand ready to be convinced otherwise, but I seem to reall a general floating statement about "6 alien murders per day" which would multiply to about the number claimed, but I don't see any support for it. Sources, anyone?

24 posted on 03/02/2007 6:03:08 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone

Someone should point you to the congressional record. I don't have a link but according to serveral members of congress the number is higher than 6.


25 posted on 03/02/2007 6:06:19 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: alienken

Any Democrat on the Hill can tell you how many are dying in Iraq, but they ignore how many are dying in America of the Spanish speaking gang related murders.


26 posted on 03/02/2007 6:09:59 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: pandoraou812

Funny, lettuce isn't low-priced here in AR. Going through checkout the other day, I was watching the prices on the items on the screen and had the checker stop to put back one bosc pear ($1.16) and one onion ($.78). Not to mention our Wal-Mart sells one green peper (and not necessarily fresh) for $.78. What's up?


27 posted on 03/02/2007 6:20:25 AM PST by PrepareToLeave (Fight on Christian soldiers!)
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To: alienken

28 posted on 03/02/2007 6:29:07 AM PST by Gritty (American citizenship is being degraded by a majority of our elected officials - Frank Salvato)
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To: PrepareToLeave
I really don't know. I have been avoiding anything thats fresh ever since the spinach scare. When I do buy my fresh veggies its in NJ at the Costco and I buy more or less in bulk so I can't compare the prices to a regular supermarket. That does seem high to me though.....~P~
29 posted on 03/02/2007 6:30:13 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: pandoraou812

Going to try a small garden this year and I'll see how that works.


30 posted on 03/02/2007 6:39:33 AM PST by PrepareToLeave (Fight on Christian soldiers!)
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To: Froufrou
It really is sad when you have to wonder if the food these illegals are picking is somehow going to be tainted and get you sick...... I am so sick of seeing signs in Spanish and now I get to chose to pick Spanish 1st before English when I get those stupid computers on my phone. You would think they would at least let English be 1st. And I don't doubt illegals are killing more people then Iraq has. I can't seem to pick up a paper without reading of them stabbing or shooting someone. Or the gangs fights. Not to mention the rapists and child sex offenders. Plus the drunk drivers that kill people....Now they want Mexicans with their polluting outdated, falling apart trucks to be able to drive right through the USA? Thats a big danger right there. Sure put those Mexican truckers right on our roads with their outdated trucks and drivers not knowing English or where they are going. Shaking my head again!! ~P~
31 posted on 03/02/2007 6:41:35 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: alienken
Image hosted by Photobucket.com just killing the people that American murders are tooo lazy to kill is that it???
32 posted on 03/02/2007 6:42:31 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: alienken

Not sealing the Mexico border is costlier than not sealing the Iranian border.


33 posted on 03/02/2007 6:43:24 AM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: pandoraou812

Thanks GWB for this Mess.


34 posted on 03/02/2007 6:43:47 AM PST by jocko12
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To: PrepareToLeave
I would. I grow peppers and herbs all summer long with a some other stuff. I found using that weed paper saved me from hurt knees. I keep a compost heap so I use that soil and then the weed paper and mulch. I did put a drip hose in too. I grew so many hot peppers I had to dry them and give tons away. I did some lettuce too but the rabbits got that. This year I plan to build up an area to try to keep the darn rabbits out. Or maybe I will just try a window box. Good luck. I love to garden. ~P~
35 posted on 03/02/2007 6:47:16 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: jocko12

He sure has been no d@mn help to us thats for sure. I just do not understand why nobody in this govt seems to understand what most Americans want. It makes my blood boil! Build the wall and if they want to come in then let them come in the way our grandparents etc did. If I hear one more time they are doing the jobs Americans don't want I will scream. They are taking away almost all the building jobs where I live. Young adults can't get summer jobs anymore because the illegals are taking them away. And not just the Mexicans either. What a mess all of this is! We are being sold down the river by our elected govt! ~P~


36 posted on 03/02/2007 6:53:41 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: alienken

Our border is wide open with drugs coming across every day but.............I went to the pharmacy last night to buy some cold medicine and had to ask for it since the good stuff is behind the pharmacy counter. The gal asked for my drivers license and input all info off of it into the computer. Sheesh was I mad!

I am ready to fire ALL politicians.


37 posted on 03/02/2007 6:57:46 AM PST by sheana
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To: WV Mountain Mama

Also in the DC area there have been many killings and rapes by illegal aliens and gangs such as MS13 and various Asian gangs have established themselves.


38 posted on 03/02/2007 7:00:21 AM PST by Dante3
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To: From One - Many
The web really is a wonderful resource -- after tracking sources back and forth (including a great FReep link in November about a bogus "INS/FBI statistical report on Undocumented Aliens") :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1738432/posts

I came up with THIS source that seems to track the allegation at the top of this thread:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=10663

If you read it, it is based entirely on assuming that each illegal alien here has a propensity to murder equal to the averge murder rate in his/her home country. That's it. Nothing more or less. Which is a pretty preposterous way to try to get a figure. I have no doubt that illegals commit murders. A lot of murders. But 100 is a lot, and so is 4,000. If you want to know where the truth lies in between, this "study" won't do it.

I did find THIS chart (Table 12)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/p05.pdf

from a DOJ report (linked from Vdare.com, which is definitely not pro-immigrant), showng that about 18% of the people in jail for murder nationwide are Hispanic. That seems to be a hard number. From there, you can make your own assumptions.

Mine would be that the best figures are that maybe 1/3 of hispanics in this country are illegal (10 million out of 30 million). A pro-immigrant study recently showed that native born hispanics commited crimes at a higher rate than immigrants, legal or illegal. The study was criticized by opponent, but not on this point. In fact, the critics mostly argued that it shows the deleterious long-term effects of current immigration policies, as immigrant groups get worse, not better, over time, as was the case with earlier groups. So -- take your pick. But if we split the difference and say illegals murder at same rate as native hispanics, we get 6% of all murders, or about 1,000. That's a lot. But I think it is a better start at a methodology than the original post.

39 posted on 03/02/2007 7:16:10 AM PST by BohDaThone
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To: BohDaThone

I don't care about studying numbers here in regards to this issue.

If there was only one murder committed by an illegal alien, it was one too many!!

And that one murder alone should be enough to get our worthless politicians working hard to correct the open border problem.

But I am surely no holding my breath waiting for that to happen.


40 posted on 03/02/2007 8:39:45 AM PST by 66-442hot (It isn't smart to kill the golden goose........)
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To: BohDaThone; All
I saw a study the other day that said 1st generation illegals are less likely to commit crimes (other than trespassing and drug running) than 2nd and 3rd gen. The study presumed the children of illegals, due to the way they must live their lives in the *shadows*, poverty, drugs and the American Hispanic gang culture, contributed to their propensity toward crime. The study was pro-illegal immigrant making excusses for their overall behavior. (sorry, no link)
41 posted on 03/02/2007 10:40:42 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: BohDaThone; alienken

If you want to see the origin and the methodology of this "study", google "Mac Johnson"+"2158 murders"


42 posted on 03/02/2007 10:57:19 AM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: pandoraou812

Are they banana peppers? I love those fresh or pickled.


43 posted on 03/02/2007 3:36:44 PM PST by PrepareToLeave (Fight on Christian soldiers!)
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To: alienken

Wait! Wasn't there a study the other day that said illegals didn't have a high crime rate in America?


44 posted on 03/02/2007 3:38:17 PM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: alienken

Worthless comparison. More people in the United States die by choking each year than are killed in the Iraq war too. So?


45 posted on 03/02/2007 3:39:39 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: PrepareToLeave

Yes, I grow them too. I never pickled them . I will look into that. Thanks ~P~


46 posted on 03/02/2007 3:40:23 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: jocko12

You mean it REALLY is Bush's fault? : )


47 posted on 03/02/2007 3:41:46 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: wolfcreek
I saw a study the other day that said 1st generation illegals are less likely to commit crimes (other than trespassing and drug running) than 2nd and 3rd gen. The study presumed the children of illegals, due to the way they must live their lives in the *shadows*, poverty, drugs and the American Hispanic gang culture, contributed to their propensity toward crime. The study was pro-illegal immigrant making excusses for their overall behavior.

Sounds like a lot of BS. If they weren't here illegally they wouldn't have to 'live that way'.

48 posted on 03/06/2007 2:31:06 PM PST by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: TommyDale
No, when there is proof offered, they remain silent. It would require them to think for themselves, which they cannot do.

I see by the low volume of posts that you were right! :)

49 posted on 03/06/2007 2:31:54 PM PST by Netizen (More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war 2,158 ea year - Center for Immigration Studies)
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To: From One - Many

Hey, you are describing a bunch of US Senators.


50 posted on 03/06/2007 2:34:06 PM PST by Dante3
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