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Conservatives Square Off with Republicans in '08
Canada Free Press ^ | 3/7/2007 | J.B. Williams

Posted on 03/07/2007 5:13:11 AM PST by markomalley

In a recent column titled Are Conservatives Running Scared, I asked conservatives to examine and explain their apparent early support for a presidential candidate who is pro-abortion, pro-gun control, pro-gay rights, pro-illegal amnesty and sitting on a record of appointing 75 judges, 8-1 liberal. The column sparked an interesting debate and it provided some interesting answers to my question.

The '08 presidential primaries are shaping up to be a bout between conservatives and Republicans. We have known for some time that while most conservatives are Republican by default, not all Republicans are conservative. George W. Bush has spent like a drunken liberal for six years now, refused to respect American sovereignty and security at our borders and fought perhaps the most important war of this generation in a politically correct manner instead of with a single purpose of victory. Such things do not make a conservative, just a typical modern politician, a Republican at that.

As the campaign for the next president heats up, the difference between conservative and Republican comes into stark focus as the party leadership attempts to force-feed three social liberals down the throats of their conservative base and after six years of compassionate conservatism, the gag reflex is in overdrive.

Are conservatives running scared? No, but Republicans are! What's the difference?

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Well worth opening and reading the whole thing...

More quotable quotes:

Conservatives are married to their principles, the ideals and values that they believe make America worth defending, protecting and preserving…

Republicans have bought into the Party power principle and they are increasingly willing to toss their core conservative principles overboard in exchange for making certain that their party wins the election.

Again, this is something that GOP partisans REALLY need to read and heed...

1 posted on 03/07/2007 5:13:12 AM PST by markomalley
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To: madprof98; Alberta's Child; EternalVigilance; cgk; Coleus; Salvation; cpforlife.org; ...

ping!


2 posted on 03/07/2007 5:16:25 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
The Rudy PIMPS are trying to shut up all conservatives one year before the primaries because they want the voters to have only two choices, a democrat or a democrat with an R by ITS name.
Either way they will have a far left winger as POTUS.

They live by fake popularity polls and try to stop all talk about issues.
3 posted on 03/07/2007 5:18:31 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: markomalley
Well worth opening and reading the whole thing...

Needed to be said again.

4 posted on 03/07/2007 5:22:21 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
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To: markomalley

In the last election the president, John McCain and the GOP leadership heavily endorsed Joe Schwarz. He was pro amnesty, pro choice, anti gun, and anti ANWR drilling. He lost to a conservative in the primary and the conservative won in the general election.

In this election it looks like the GOP wants to cut any conservative competition out of the pack before we get anywhere near a primary.


5 posted on 03/07/2007 5:28:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"They live by fake popularity polls and try to stop all talk about issues."


I don't understand, especially with FReepers, why this is happening. The GOP obviously has it's OWN agenda. This, to a person with OPEN EYES and EARS, has become clear as a bell. Not only have some tossed their principles out the window, they have perverted the ones they still hold. God help this country when our choices for leader are, in essence, of the same mindset and intent. The GOP better get their act together or they can, flatout, kiss my ass!
6 posted on 03/07/2007 5:29:35 AM PST by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: wolfcreek
As the Rudy pimps are about fifteen percent of the voters in FreeRepublic polls but try to shut out the other eighty five percent.
7 posted on 03/07/2007 5:34:52 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
As the Rudy pimps are about fifteen percent of the voters in FreeRepublic polls but try to shut out the other eighty five percent.

But it's FUN posting articles like this on the site...and reading the rudbot responses. I can just picture the veins on their necks popping out as they are responding!

8 posted on 03/07/2007 5:38:56 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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I am very weary of the party over principle FReepers running their mouths nonstop beating us over the head with the "it's this or Hillary" stick.

If both candidates end up being liberals then I don't really give a rats hat which one wins or loses because the end result will be pretty much the same either way, and I cannot and will not vote for a liberal regardless of the letter designation next to their name.

I could easily vote for someone I don't like or support...IF they are a conservative.

Baby murderers and gun grabbers can KMA.

9 posted on 03/07/2007 5:40:23 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran; All

To Rudyites: What is victory without honor?


10 posted on 03/07/2007 5:46:54 AM PST by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: markomalley

Title Says it All...nice


11 posted on 03/07/2007 6:25:31 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Verax

12 posted on 03/07/2007 6:26:24 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: markomalley
George W. Bush has spent like a drunken liberal for six years now, refused to respect American sovereignty and security at our borders and fought perhaps the most important war of this generation in a politically correct manner instead of with a single purpose of victory. Such things do not make a conservative, just a typical modern politician, a Republican at that.

That, along with his absolute refusal to prosecute DemonRats for real crimes while relentlessly pursuing honorable law enforcement agents and his own closest supporters for fake crimes, sums up the reasons for my present disgust with Bush.

13 posted on 03/07/2007 7:03:34 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Verax
You've got a big ol' brass set of cojones pushing that friend of Cindy as a presidential candidate on this board. He lies about the war and aligns himself with Lew "I boink Cindy Sheehan" Rockwell. In other words, even if he's a "conservative," he's a "conservative" who is happy to work with traitors.

So, with all due respect, don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way back to DU.

14 posted on 03/07/2007 8:22:41 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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To: markomalley

BUMP


15 posted on 03/07/2007 8:26:48 AM PST by EternalVigilance (With "Republicans" like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: Mr. Silverback
DU, please?

I left the candy ass liberal GOP 10 years ago and it's more liberal now than it was then.

I'm very excited about the RIFT thats being forged among the right of of center electorate this time.

Libertarians & Constitutionalists & Reformers will get our 34% this time baby!

16 posted on 03/07/2007 2:49:18 PM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Verax

You're headed in the wrong direction if you think Paul is a conservative...

He is far left of Giuliani or any other Republican. Better do more research on Paul. Better also get a clue that it is fiscally impossible to be both socially liberal and fiscally conservative. That covers the libertarian principle.

The high cost of the consequences for liberal social behaviors is what's bankrupting this nation.

Then you had better buy a calculator and realize that the one thing worse than a liberal Republican is a leader elected by 34% of the people or less. This is NOT majority representation. Third party options are out. We have a two party system for a reason.

Last, if you lack the power to reform your own party, who are you kidding by suggesting you have the power to reform the nation?


17 posted on 03/07/2007 3:09:11 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: markomalley
Are conservatives running scared? No, but Republicans are! What's the difference?

Conservatism is a philosophy or a way of looking at the world. You can always look at the world as you wish. One has one's philosophy, no matter if nobody else shares it.

The Republicans are a political party. A party's an institution, and institutions can run into real trouble in the world. Parties that are unsuccessful for long periods run the risk of dying.

The deeper question is what are bedrock principles and what are the expedients and compromises that are a part of political life. Where do the things that one can compromise on end, and those one can't compromise on begin?

18 posted on 03/07/2007 3:24:46 PM PST by x
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To begin with, compromise is greatly over rated. Anything only half-right is also half-wrong.

An ideal America would be non-partisan and wholly pro-America. That doesn't exist. So we try to work with bi-partisan. That stopped working once the DNC left the reservation and became a front for international socialism.

So a compromise between anti-American international socialists and pro-American conservatives is what exactly? Today's Republican?


19 posted on 03/07/2007 3:55:01 PM PST by PlainOleAmerican
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To: Verax
Isn't that funny...I say "Your candidate is part of an alliance of traitors" and you hear "You should support a liberal because you're a member of the GOP."

Here, maybe you'll get it if I do it this way:

RON PAUL IS PART OF AN EFFORT TO COMMIT TREASON AGAINST THE UNITED STATES IN A TIME OF WAR.

There, I hope that's clear now.

20 posted on 03/07/2007 3:58:59 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Logic" is as meaningless to a liberal as "desert" is to a fish.--Freeper IronJack)
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