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Video: Betrayal at Little Big Horn, the evidence
Video ^ | 05/10/07 | drzz

Posted on 05/10/2007 5:43:50 AM PDT by drzz

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To: drzz

Again, an interesting video, but it is merely opinion, heresay, and conjecture which at the time were based on more opinion, heresay and conjecture. Opinion, heresay, and conjecture do not constiture “PROOF”.


81 posted on 05/10/2007 11:38:55 AM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: drzz

Al Gore wrote a book too

He’s an idiot

Nothing on this planet to keep idiots from writing books.

and if you wrote a book on it slick, what’s the name of the book. I’ll go read and check out your credentials.

I’ve read the court of inquiry several times. That Court was designed to lay blame at the feet of a junior commander. The man who should have been charged (if any) was the man laying dead on that hillside.

HE was the boneheaded SOB who was in charge. Not Reno.

You keep spouting off that you have facts.

Ok where are they?

I haven’t seen one yet.

Where’s your Book? What evidence do YOU have to support this insistance that Reno and Benteen acted improperly?

Those 2 commanders, altho not the most stalwart of Military Commanders, were able to preserve their commands. They saved what men they could.

The blame for that disaster lies squarely at the feet of the jackass in command. CUSTER!

There is a simple yet constant FACT about Military strategy.

NEVER split your forces in the face of the enemy without knowing their true disposition.

Great Commanders have in the past been able to do this, but, they did it with FULL knowledge of where there enemy was, what their enemy was doing and what that enemy was likely to do.

A classic example of this is the battle of Chancellorsville. Lee and Jackson split their forces in the face of an overwhelming Union Army. They CRUSHED the Union Right flank as a result.

But that’s the difference between 2 Great commanders and a foot sniffing dog like Custer.

I’ll say it again.

Custer was a pompous jackass. He was out for himself and his own glory. He lead those men into battle and got them slaughtered.

It was his fault and his fault alone.


82 posted on 05/10/2007 11:39:09 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: drzz

I meant it. It was silly of me to comment on it without watching the videos.


83 posted on 05/10/2007 11:40:32 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: gate2wire

yeah well.. as I said

Al Gore wrote one too.

:)


84 posted on 05/10/2007 11:45:21 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Saw that. :-)


85 posted on 05/10/2007 11:49:30 AM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
The distance (5.3 miles) between Custer Hill and Reno/Benteen's position is kind of a clue Custer had underestimated his opponent's size.

His approach from the area known as Crows Nest with that ridge hiding body of the camp, may have caused him to get sucked in. But there is also evidence that Custer disbelieved his own Indian Scouts.

86 posted on 05/10/2007 12:03:51 PM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: drzz
"Benteen wasn’t decorated for his actions, BTW."

OK, he was recognized for actions including the LBH.
"Benteen was the toughest frontier officer in the cavalry. Holding the rank of major, but with the authority of a brevet (temporary) colonel, he later was breveted to brigadier general for "gallant and meritorious services" at the Little Bighorn and Canyon Creek Indian battles in Montana Territory; he was the only officer so honored for the Little Bighorn." http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wfbentee.htm

87 posted on 05/10/2007 12:06:25 PM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: investigateworld

Exactly

From Reno’s position to Custer Hill almost exactly parallels the length of the village.

To say that the village was 1 mile long shows a sincere lack of knowledge about the terrain at the Bighorn Battlefield.

Kinda strange for someone who allegedly visited the battlefield and walked it’s length and breadth.


88 posted on 05/10/2007 12:09:06 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
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I made no comment on the size of the village. It's my thinking Custer erred in his profession by not having an understanding of his opponent's size and capabilities.

Until he had better knowledge, he should not have separated his command.

89 posted on 05/10/2007 12:20:09 PM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: investigateworld

My apologies bud, I know you didn’t, I was including in my response to you the originating poster’s assertion that the village was only a mile long.

Please accept my apology for the confusion. You were 100% correct in everything you said.


90 posted on 05/10/2007 12:39:12 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
No prob

Separation of command can be an opportunity or a disaster. Custer wasn't lucky this time, but a certain Horsefaced Lt. (J.G.) who had left his river boat was.

Then there's always that Angel who pees in the touch hole of yer musket.

Back to the subject: What is the 'accepted' warrior strength of the Indians there?

91 posted on 05/10/2007 1:03:46 PM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: investigateworld

Generally somewhere between 2500 and 5000 Warriors. The village was approx. 20,000 in number. This was the meeting of the plains indians. The Northern Cheyenne, the Souix and others were represented there. This wasn’t just the Souix at this battle.


92 posted on 05/10/2007 1:57:24 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Thanks

What I'd really like to know is where was Custer's exact position when he sent Trooper Martini off with that message; "bring packs".

Kind of a clue he knew that alligators were approaching his backside?

93 posted on 05/10/2007 2:31:55 PM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: investigateworld

Custer was just east of Medicine Tail coulee when he actually “saw” the village. This was what he thought was the northern end of the village. It actually was the middle.

I think that was when he realized how truly tremendous his mistake was.


94 posted on 05/10/2007 2:44:45 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: investigateworld

to add to that, he had already left Reno and was proceeding north along the ridgeline. It was just before Custer got to Medicine Tail coulee that Reno and some of his Men said they saw him stop, wheel on the ridge and wave his hat. He then disappeared over the ridge with his command and that was the last anyone saw of them alive.


95 posted on 05/10/2007 2:48:16 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Our Forefathers roared for Liberty, their children now whine for security and safety.)
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To: drzz
Custer's honor and the honor of every one of his 210 men is at stake. Are you ready to bury their honor ? They fought for their flag. Are you ready to forget what they did? Are you ready to insult Custer because it's what people said at a time

I do agree with you totally about Custer. But, don't forget, they are dead. It's not like they are on trial or anything and in desperate need of our support.

96 posted on 05/10/2007 4:11:42 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King; drzz

“I do agree with you totally about Custer.”

You agree with the poster? He has been posting this stuff for weeks—that Custer was betrayed. Mistakes were made ...certainly. But, Reno and Benteen were cowards and traitors? You must be kidding me.


97 posted on 05/10/2007 5:59:39 PM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: drzz; Leatherneck_MT; Vision; All

Enough all ready...saying that Reno and Benteen, career soldiers both, allowed over 200 of their fellow cavalrymen to get massacred because they hated Custer, is like saying Pres. Bush allowed 9/11 to happen so he could attack Iraq.
Stop this foolishness.


98 posted on 05/10/2007 6:33:20 PM PDT by gate2wire (Street Sense)
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To: gate2wire

Wow, you were right.


99 posted on 05/10/2007 6:52:46 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Good account. My understanding is more like this:

The curator of a Western art museum commissioned a local artist to paint a mural-sized painting of Custer’s Last Thought. The artist was told to make it highly symbolic of Custer’s mindset during the debacle at the Little Bighorn. Deep in thought, the artist went to his studio. After many false starts, he proceeded to paint an enormous oil painting.

Finally, after months of work, the opening of the exhibit drew a crowd of people for the unveiling of this, the centerpiece of the exhibit. The canopy came off revealing the artist’s large painting:

In the foreground was a beautiful crystalline blue lake with a single fish leaping. Around the fish’s head is a halo. In the background, the hills and meadows are covered with naked Native American couples copulating.

The curator was both disgusted and baffled by what he saw. In a rage he turned to the artist and asked, “What the hell has this got to do with Custer’s Last Thought?” The artist replied, “It’s simple. Custer’s last thought must have been, ‘Holy Mackerel! … Look at all these f*cking Indians!!’”

Cheers!

100 posted on 05/10/2007 9:49:14 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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