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Why Giuliani Will Not Be a Nominee
Dakota Voice ^ | 5/15/07 | Rev. Rob Schenck

Posted on 05/15/2007 4:14:11 PM PDT by wagglebee

Rudolph Giuliani has a huge problem--and so do all other candidates that approach abortion as he does. Their huge problem are both their obviously untenable moral positions on abortion, as well as the huge number of pro-life activists and our many allies. We just don't like equivocation or ambivalence.

Jesus Christ said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." (Matthew 12:25) St. James said, "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." (James 1:8) It appears that Rudy, and possibly other candidates, are at war with their own consciences over where they will stand on this supreme moral, social and religious issue.

In the Book of Revelation, Jesus Christ warned the church at Laodicia, "because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth." (Revelation 3:16) Simply put, Jesus prefers an abject sinner to an equivocator.

Of all people, Rudy should realize leaders must be straight talkers. They cannot send what we preachers call, "an uncertain sound." The American people respect confident leaders who say what they mean and mean what they say. We crave public officials who call a spade a spade. We want you to take a stand one way or the other. I may disagree with you, but I will respect you for standing your ground.

Sadly, Rudy's "I do but I don't," and "I will but I won't" palaver about abortion undermines the image of the strong, take action leader New York and the country needed after 9/11. But it also shows his Achilles' heel that some had hoped to wish away. It's his moral constitution. Rudy has made a series of disastrous moral choices in his personal life that will haunt him throughout his campaign. That weakness unfortunately compromises his capacity to speak with authority on moral issues, especially abortion.

Now, Christian conservatives like me do believe strongly in conversion and change; it's what the Gospel is all about. Sinners do turn to saints; drug addicts are delivered and live clean; criminals do repent and are redeemed. But these "converts" are marked by crystal clear testimonies of conversion. They will never be perfect (as none of us will be), but they evidence steady progress toward holiness of life and thought.

Rudy has yet to share with us a "sure word of testimony" and display evidence of progressive "sanctification." These are really important factors for Christian conservatives of every stripe. And, in the end, they will prove the sine quo non of our votes for a nominee.

Before he makes any more pronouncements, tortured explanations or crafts any more nuanced position statements on abortion, marriage or God, Rudy needs to go to church and visit the altar rail for an extended dealing with God. As we Evangelicals say, he needs to "pray this through and find his peace with the Lord." Then he needs to rise from his knees and testify to what the Lord has done!

Until Rudy can give that testimony convincingly, I'm afraid he will never have enough "amens" from the congregation he needs so badly.

Rev. Rob Schenck expresses his personal opinion in this editorial. For identification purposes only, Rev. Schenck is president of the National Clergy Council in Washington, DC., founder of Faith and Action, a Christian mission to Capitol Hill and is chairman of the Committee on Church and Society for the Evangelical Church Alliance, America's oldest association of Evangelical ministers, churches and institutions. He can be reached at revrobschenck@comcast.net.


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Before he makes any more pronouncements, tortured explanations or crafts any more nuanced position statements on abortion, marriage or God, Rudy needs to go to church and visit the altar rail for an extended dealing with God. As we Evangelicals say, he needs to "pray this through and find his peace with the Lord." Then he needs to rise from his knees and testify to what the Lord has done!

Rooty worships in the same "church" the rest of the leftists do.

1 posted on 05/15/2007 4:15:30 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

I respect the authors thoughts however we are not electing a KING.

Whoever we do elect will serve 4 years and maybe 8. This is all provided we are not attacked again.


2 posted on 05/15/2007 4:16:56 PM PDT by alisasny (RIP Lt. Kevin “Kojak” Davis BLUE ANGELS #6 THANKYOU!!)
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; narses; 8mmMauser

Pro-Life Ping


3 posted on 05/15/2007 4:18:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The country already elected one man who had no higher god than his inclinations and appetites, and we saw how THAT worked out . . . .
4 posted on 05/15/2007 4:18:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Jim Robinson; Ultra Sonic 007; NapkinUser

Ping


5 posted on 05/15/2007 4:18:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
It appears that Rudy, and possibly other candidates, are at war with their own consciences...

No, they are trying to find a way to fool as many voters as they can.

6 posted on 05/15/2007 4:19:11 PM PDT by Inquisitive1
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To: wagglebee

Rudy’s run for the presidency will have many conservatives at each others’ throats. We’ve already seen it here at FR, and I have the feeling my dear aunt and I will get into it before this interminable campaign is over.

Back during the Clinton administration, she and I agreed that character counts. Now she seems to be leaning in the direction of Rudy, and I’ll be bitterly disappointed if she does decide to carry the water for him. As much as I love Newt’s ability to think creatively about solutions to our problems as a nation, I could never, ever support him as a presidential candidate because, as I mentioned before, character does indeed count.

I desperately hope that Rudy gets defeated. I can’t bear the thought of having to sit out a presidential election — especially when the stakes are so high.


7 posted on 05/15/2007 4:27:59 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

8 posted on 05/15/2007 4:29:56 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: ru4liberty
Back during the Clinton administration, she and I agreed that character counts.

If Rudy's character is better than the Clintons, the distinction is marginal at best.

9 posted on 05/15/2007 4:30:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ru4liberty
Rudy’s run for the presidency will have many conservatives at each others’ throats.

Anyone who supports Giuliani does not support core Conservative values.
10 posted on 05/15/2007 4:32:12 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax , you earn it , you keep it!)
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To: wagglebee

This is getting much too complicated for my old redneck ass, I just won’t waste my single vote on Rudy!


11 posted on 05/15/2007 4:33:13 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Inquisitive1

What really amazes me is how little the candidates know of Roe v. Wade.

There are actual quotes in Roe v. Wade that could be used today undo the court decision that were cited by the Chief Justice as reason enough to make it judicial law because no previous judicial precedent could be cited to counter the argument...

A little study on the candidates part could do wonders, and probably confuse the press to endless wonders...


12 posted on 05/15/2007 4:33:22 PM PDT by BedRock ("A country that doesn't enforce it's laws will live in chaos, & will cease to exist.")
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...

STOP RUDY 2008 PING!


13 posted on 05/15/2007 4:35:34 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"old redneck ass,"

What a strange anatomy. lol

14 posted on 05/15/2007 4:36:36 PM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: wagglebee
The ALL have a huge problem

Meet their 800 pound gorilla!

15 posted on 05/15/2007 4:38:01 PM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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To: NapkinUser

“STOP RUDY 2008 PING!”

You can also call your ping “The ELECT-HILLARY Ping”


16 posted on 05/15/2007 4:39:43 PM PDT by 2dogjoe (Have a Blessed Day)
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To: Man50D
Anyone who supports Giuliani does not support core Conservative values.

Can't go there with you. My aunt does support core conservative values. Unfortunately, she's willing to put some of them aside for the sake of electing someone who will be take-charge tough on terrorism. I agree with her that the war on terrorism should be given the highest priority. The difference between her and me is that she seems to believe Rudy is the only candidate who will be tough on terrorism. I don't.

17 posted on 05/15/2007 4:40:19 PM PDT by ru4liberty
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To: 2dogjoe

Nah, just about any republican can defeat Hillary Clinton (who is not a lock for the nomination, much to the sadness of the Rudymites who use her as a boogy man figure). Rudy Giuliani is a leftist who must be destroyed in the primary.


18 posted on 05/15/2007 4:44:37 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: 2dogjoe
"You can also call your ping “The ELECT-HILLARY Ping” "

If Giuliani can't beat Hillary, the GOP should not nominate him.

19 posted on 05/15/2007 4:47:32 PM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: AnAmericanMother
The country already elected one man who had no higher god than his inclinations and appetites, and we saw how THAT worked out . . . .

Just one?

20 posted on 05/15/2007 4:51:03 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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