Posted on 05/19/2007 5:49:37 AM PDT by RedRover
Girl, do you remember where this business about the four men in the closet was reported? I meant to go back and look for it but couldn’t get the time today (too busy being appreciative!).
LOL!
Where do you get all these pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That one could be had at bonesuckin.com
They also have hot nuts.
It’s a gift? LOL!
I could only read a few paragraphs, got up, and went and sanded for a few hours....
Were you sanding a patch over where you kicked the wall?
The original claim came from the first article by McGirk in Times Magazine http://www.time.com/time/world/printout/0,8816,1174649,00.html
...”The Marines raided a third house, which belongs to a man named Ahmed Ayed. One of Ahmed’s five sons, Yousif, who lived in a house next door, told Time that after hearing a prolonged burst of gunfire from his father’s house, he rushed over. Iraqi soldiers keeping watch in the garden prevented him from going in. “They told me, ‘There’s nothing you can do. Don’t come closer, or the Americans will kill you too.’ The Americans didn’t let anybody into the house until 6:30 the next morning.” Ayed says that by then the bodies were gone; all the dead had been zipped into U.S. body bags and taken by Marines to a local hospital morgue. “But we could tell from the blood tracks across the floor what happened,” Ayed claims. “The Americans gathered my four brothers and took them inside my father’s bedroom, to a closet. They killed them inside the closet.” “...
I’m not sure when the first disclaimer came out. I didn’t realize until reading this again that Yousif Ayed (the guy you quote in your schematic) was the BROTHER of the four killed in that last house. He had plenty of reasons to lie about their status: 1. Prevent the Americans from tieing him in with insurgents, 2. Try to get compensation for 4 Brothers.
The military has a different account of what transpired. According to officials familiar with the investigation, the Marines broke into the third house and found a group of 10 to 15 women and children. The troops say they left one Marine to guard that house and pushed on to the house next door, where they found four men, one of whom was wielding an AK-47. A second seemed to be reaching into a wardrobe for another weapon, the officials say. The Marines shot both men dead; the military's initial report does not specify how the other two men died.
The Marines deny that any of the men were killed in the closet, which they say is too small to fit one adult male, much less four. According to the military officials, the series of raids took five hours and left at least 23 people dead. In all, two AK-47s were discovered. The military has classified the 15 victims in the first two houses as noncombatants. It considers the four men killed in the fourth house, as well as four youths killed by the Marines near the site of the roadside bombing, as enemy fighters. The question facing naval detectives is whether the Marines' killing of 15 noncombatants was an act of legitimate self-defense or negligent homicide. Military sources say that if the ncis finds evidence of wrongdoing, U.S. commanders in Iraq will decide whether to pursue legal action against the Marines.
That’s exactly why the Iraqis made up the story that Marines seperated the men, took them next door, herded them into a closet, and then killed them there. (Does any of that even make sense to Timmy?)
Of course, the “witnesses” didn’t see any of this happen but who are we to stand between McGirk and a cover story in Time?
A few hours later, Sharratt, Wuterich and Salinas approached a third and fourth house after noticing men they said were peering at them suspiciously.
The investigative reports show that what happened there is unclear. Iraqi witnesses said the Marines angrily separated men and women into two lines before marching the men into the fourth house and shooting them.
The three Marines told investigators they were searching for the men they had seen and separated the women into a safe area before Wuterich and Sharratt entered the house.
Sharratt told investigators that he saw a man raise an AK-47 rifle as if to shoot him. Sharratt said his gun jammed, but he grabbed his 9mm handgun and shot the attacker. He told investigators he saw another man with a rifle and shot him and two others because he "felt threatened." Wuterich also shot at the men, he said. Sharratt has been charged with unpremeditated murder in three of the slayings.
Gary Myers, a lawyer representing Sharratt, declined to comment yesterday.
You can read the original article at the link.
The only mention of closets in the Vanity Fair article, "Rules of Engagement" is at the end...
A man cries, "This is an act denied by God. What did he do? To be executed in the closet? Those bastards! Even the Jews would not do such an act! Why? Why did they kill him this way? Look, this is his brain on the ground!"
The boy continues to sob over the corpse on the floor. He shouts, "Father! I want my father!" Another man cries, "This is democracy?"
Well yeah, well no, well actually this is Haditha. For the United States, it is what defeat looks like in this war.
You can read that at this link.
Charles Gittins, Capt. Stone’s atty, indicated that compensation had been given for all 24 Iraqi’s killed that day. Does this mean that the father, Ahmed Ayed, and the brother, Yousif Ayed, of the four killed in that house received compensation? Even though they were determined to be insurgents at the time?
Looks like some powerful stuff.
That’s what I was thinking but I can’t remember where I read it.
RedRover has developed perhaps the most succint - and only -summaries of the current proceedings available, and while all data is based on news releases by the media (and the press briefs the Marine Corps releases), he's the best one stop source of info around, not taking away from those here who've helped him collect and disseminate, or other extremely diligent Investigative Patriots.
BTW, welcome to Free Republic.
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Thank you for the welcome.
Yes there is alot out there and RedRover and friends have done an excellent job putting the info all in one place. I’ve been following this since the beginning, knew it was SO wrong, and then yesterday all of the little puzzle pieces began falling in place for me. Before that everything was just jumbled around in my mind. I should have come here a long time ago. =)
bttt
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